[Server-devel] [XSCE] [Off Topic] More Linux users facing skype issues
James Cameron
quozl at laptop.org
Tue Apr 5 01:04:08 EDT 2016
You might also have fun with Firefox Hello.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/hello/?v=b
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-hello-video-and-voice-conversations-online
On Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 09:59:21AM +0530, Anish Mangal wrote:
> It is great and refreshing to see momentum towards finding alternatives to
> skype. Adam, that story was just an indicator of what is to come. As many in
> history have said before, freedom is neither easy, nor cheap, and ofcourse in
> this case there are switching costs involved. On a personal note, the day we
> switch from skype will be the day all trace of it disappears it from my laptop.
>
> Maybe we can take this up in this week's 'skype' call :-)
>
> As I said, am happy to maintain a SIP server if someone is willing to offer
> server space. Besides that, ring is worth trying, and as Terry said, so is
> jitsi (although for android users, i dont think there is an app, so browser may
> have to do for now).
>
> Cheers,
> Anish
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 7:22 AM, <[1]tkkang at nurturingasia.com> wrote:
>
> Have seen my son use this and host his chat session with teammates in game
> play 10 years ago. It has been around for long time and works well for him.
>
> [2]http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php
>
> Nice if it can run on Sugar or can be a XSCE addon!
>
> Also bigbluebutton is an opensource videoconferencing system.
>
> Cheers
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Adam Holt [mailto:[3]holt at laptop.org]
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 08:30 AM
> >To: 'xsce-devel'
> >Cc: 'XS Devel'
> >Subject: Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] [Off Topic] More Linux users facing
> skype issues
> >
> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:11 PM, T Gillett <[4]tgillett at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You might also like to look at Jitsi as a Skype replacement (
> >> [5]https://meet.jit.si) for group tele/video conference in particular.
> >>
> >> You just need a reasonably up to date browser such as Chrome or Firefox.
> >>
> >> Just go to the web site, launch a session, and then share the URL with
> all
> >> the participants.
> >>
> >
> >Aside: a non-browser approach is in fact fundamental to most use cases.
> >
> >The reason is that reliable calls are completely immune from browser
> >instability; no less searching among ~200 tabs for a live
> >family/community/business call Ain't Viable (!) ...even if that magical
> >crash-free / thrashing-free browser of the future one days appears on our
> >doorsteps, hahah :>
> >
> >Something Google does not seem to understand yet, still a decade after
> >GChat etc -- everything looks like a nail, when you are the hammer? Or
> >perhaps Google is/will one day face reality, issuing unobtrusive
> >Mac/Windows/Linux client software for Hangouts?
> >
> >Conversely Microsoft is finally learning from others, offering a live URL
> >to Skype hangouts/calls for more open / ad hoc participation:
> >[6]http://blogs.skype.com/2015/10/15/
> a-new-easier-way-to-start-a-skype-conversation-and-invite-anyone-to-join/
> >
> >On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Adam Holt <[7]holt at laptop.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> One of our hackers in Haiti is of course a Linux diehard, who during
> our
> >>> weekly call today, kept being being blocked by Microsoft's
> >>> self-contradictory (and how am I supposed to upgrade??)
> message-of-death:
> >>>
> >>> "[user] unable to join this call as they need to update Skype first"
> >>>
> >>> So we tried to hack Skype, by restarting the large group call to/
> between
> >>> Linux users first, and then adding all the other user incrementally
> from
> >>> there: Voila it worked flawlessly!
> >>>
> >>> Conclusion: there can be no mistake understanding why this is
> happening.
> >>> Evidently Microsoft prefers Linux over all other OS's, and so going
> forth
> >>> we will abide by their thoughtful pragmatism, and always begin with
> Linux
> >>> for a harmonious experience by all.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 12:46 AM, Sameer Verma <[8]sverma at sfsu.edu>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ring had a lot of active development. I've been using it since back
> when
> >>>> it was called SFLPhone.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sameer
> >>>> On Apr 1, 2016 6:25 PM, "Anish Mangal" <[9]anishmg at umich.edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Unfortunately, Antox - The Tox client for Android is quite buggy, and
> >>>>> AFAIK, doesn't support audio/video calling.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:06 PM, Alex Perez <[10]aperez at alexperez.com
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I’d also like to second that you guys look into Tox:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [11]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tox_(protocol). There are iOS/
> Android,
> >>>>>> OS X, (numerous) Windows and Linux clients.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Apr 1, 2016, at 6:34 AM, Anish Mangal <[12]anishmg at umich.edu>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [13]https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/03/31/1956218/
> skype-for-linux-dead-or-just-resting
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [14]http://nickforall.nl/skype/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> and of-course
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [15]https://www.stallman.org/skype.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is not an excuse for not joining the weekly calls (sorry for
> >>>>>> that), but it has made it quite a bit harder to join skype calls, if
> you
> >>>>>> happen to run purer (purely) free software based software.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have an android phone with Cyanogenmod, and only f-droid (none of
> >>>>>> the google spyware). There is no way to get skype to run on it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Skype doesnt work on my fedora 21 box.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The only way I am able to connect is via a VM running Linux mint.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So far, it's been mostly me creating noise (and apologies for that),
> >>>>>> but I will continue to do so from time to time. Hopefully someone
> else who
> >>>>>> joins these calls regularly in the community values freedom.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ==Alternatives==
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So far, I have found the following alternatives.
> >>>>>> 1. Tox ([16]http://tox.chat) - It has bad support for android, but
> it's
> >>>>>> linux client seems to work well
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2. Ring ([17]http://ring.cx) - It seems to have good support for
> android,
> >>>>>> and ofcourse Linux/Windoze/OSX
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 3. Mumble - This is widely used by many communities and well
> supported
> >>>>>> on most platforms
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 4. Having a SIP server - There are all kinds of apps that can
> connect
> >>>>>> to a SIP server,* including from within the browser* as well (see
> >>>>>> sip.js). This is also easy enough to host, and not bandwidth
> consuming.
> >>>>>> Willing to offer to setup one if someone can offer server space.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyway, all this is not to say, i wont join calls, I am sorry for
> >>>>>> that, but just making aware of where things are headed skype-wise.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Anish
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Anish
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>
> >
>
> --
> Anish
>
> References:
>
> [1] mailto:tkkang at nurturingasia.com
> [2] http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php
> [3] mailto:holt at laptop.org
> [4] mailto:tgillett at gmail.com
> [5] https://meet.jit.si/
> [6] http://blogs.skype.com/2015/10/15/a-new-easier-way-to-start-a-skype-conversation-and-invite-anyone-to-join/
> [7] mailto:holt at laptop.org
> [8] mailto:sverma at sfsu.edu
> [9] mailto:anishmg at umich.edu
> [10] mailto:aperez at alexperez.com
> [11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tox_(protocol)
> [12] mailto:anishmg at umich.edu
> [13] https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/03/31/1956218/skype-for-linux-dead-or-just-resting
> [14] http://nickforall.nl/skype/
> [15] https://www.stallman.org/skype.html
> [16] http://tox.chat/
> [17] http://ring.cx/
> [18] mailto:Server-devel at lists.laptop.org
> [19] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
> [20] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
> [21] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
> [22] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
> [23] http://unleashkids.org/
> [24] http://unleashkids.org/
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