[Server-devel] Testing EduBlog
Pablo Flores
pflores2 at gmail.com
Wed Aug 13 10:17:32 EDT 2008
Hi Tarun!
Thanks for the great work you are doing!
See comments below.
Saludos,
Pablo Flores
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Tarun Pondicherry <
tarunpondicherry at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
>
> I tried to address most of these concerns in the updated version. Please
> let me know if I got the attempted fixes right.
I'll try to take some time this afternoon to test the system. What I found
with the previous version is that BrowseNew didn't change its homepage. I
talked with Greg that it would be very simplifying for teachers and children
to make BrowseNew go straight to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog, a page I
will get some time to finish with the instructions to start to work. Would
it be possible to change this?
>
> I'm also thinking about how to configure the language. Currently, it
> detects if the Browser is es or en and bases its setting on that. We could
> also change it to force es not matter what. Which do you think is better?
For us, both possibilities are good if they work well ;-)
>
> Another concern I have is that if testers login at the same time with the
> same username, it may break things. Is this something to worry about, or
> will the system be tested by one person at a time?
Well, this may be a real problem working in a real school. The normal
workflow is that the teacher proposes something to work in and blog about
it, then children start to work altogether.... what problems may happen?
>
> Thanks,
> Tarun
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:34 AM, Tarun Pondicherry <
>> tarunpondicherry at gmail.com <mailto:tarunpondicherry at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> *Creating a new blog
>>
>> *
>>
>> * The login page isn't in spanish
>>
>> The UI can be switched to Spanish easily, this will be done in the
>> next update after we get abiword working.
>>
>> Great!
>>
>>
>>
>> * I'm not sure how to manage users with EduBlog.... I think we
>>
>> should start a wiki page to start documenting (and discussing
>> it). Volunteers? :-)
>>
>> I'm not sure the best way either. There are many many options. I
>> thought the easiest is to just do a bulk upload of all the
>> students. We can also allow students to register themselves or an
>> admin to enter all of them. Comments on which would be best would
>> be really helpful. Students also should only have to login once.
>>
>> Yes, maybe the best way is making a registration form. Once the child is
>> registered, it shouldn't be asked the user/password everytime, it should
>> stay registered in the laptop.
>> One important feature would be letting children use different registration
>> systems, like OpenId... Having many user/password is very confusing for
>> children and even more for teachers!
>>
>>
>>
>> * In the "Adding a new OU blog" form, I can't access the
>> "Manage
>>
>> Remote Blogs" button, it takes me to a page that says "Sorry,
>> but you do not currently have permissions to do that
>> ([[oublog:manageremoteblogs]]) More information about
>> this error
>> <http://docs.moodle.org/en/error/moodle/nopermissions>". *
>>
>> I will look into this, but you need teacher not student login. If
>> you are logged in as student, you would have to logout.
>>
>> It doesn't work logged in as teacher.
>>
>> Do teacher's and students share the same machine?
>>
>> Let's assume that teacher do their managing tasks (creating blogs, etc.)
>> from their own laptops.
>>
>>
>>
>> * It would be better if some options could be hidden, like
>> "Common
>> module settings".
>>
>> This will be done in the next update. There is button to show all
>> the advanced options at the bottom if needed.
>>
>> Ok.
>>
>>
>> *New blog post*
>>
>>
>> * From the moodle interface, I couldn't upload any picture. I
>> could use the other interface
>> (
>> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/editpost.php?blog=2
>> ),
>> but with this one I cannot select the blog to post to. *
>>
>> For this demo, there was only one blog. The jump to link at the
>> top right was to be used to select other blogs. Perhaps it should
>> be repositioned?
>>
>> Mmmh... students should select the blog in which they'll be working before
>> starting to write the post... otherwise could lead to a lot of confussion in
>> the class...
>>
>>
>>
>> * I tried to upload a Write document, but I couldn't from
>> any of
>>
>> the interfaces (am I doing right? I tried to upload the
>> file as
>> an image).
>>
>> Not implemented yet, hopefully this will work after we get abiword
>> on the server.
>>
>> Ok.
>>
>> I also would like to summarize some points of how the daily
>> work would be. Let's see...
>>
>> * First of all, the teacher will have to get a user and
>> password
>> for the system.
>> * The teacher creates a new blog using the interface
>>
>> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublog&type=&course=2§ion=0&return=0
>> <
>> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublog&type=&course=2§ion=0&return=0
>> >
>> <
>> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublog&type=&course=2§ion=0&return=0
>> <
>> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublog&type=&course=2§ion=0&return=0
>> >>
>> * All of her children have to get a user and password.
>>
>> Yes, and it will be saved on the XO so only needs to be entered
>> one time.
>>
>> Ok!
>>
>>
>>
>> * Then, the teacher can propose some work to be done, for
>> which
>>
>> children will have to make their posts to the blog. To do so,
>> children will have to access to the blog page (the moodle
>> one),
>> and click on "New blog post".
>> * As children submit their posts, the teacher will be able
>> to see
>> them in the blog page. Children will only see their own posts
>> and the ones already approved by the teacher. Question:
>> How can
>> a child know if his post was approved?
>>
>> Hm, I did not think of this. We could automatically post a
>> comment locally. What would you suggest? I'm not sure how
>> teachers and students communicate on the XO.
>>
>> We discussed this issue time ago with some friends of a graphics design
>> company that was studying how children interfaces should be. The conclusion
>> we arrived to is that the best would be to remark the state of the post
>> graphically on the blog. For instance, keeping in gray the posts that are
>> still not approved. I don't know if it can be implemented easily.
>> Teachers could also use the comments form to give feedback, although the
>> most common way would be the straight talk in the class...
>>
>>
>>
>> * The approved posts will go public, depending on the
>>
>> configuration: If there is a remote blog configured (blogspot
>> for instance), they will appear there. If it's local only, it
>> will be seen by others, depending on the visibility
>> configuration of the blog.
>>
>> All agree with this?
>>
>> That looks to be all in accordance with what we are trying to
>> implement.
>>
>> Hahaha, ok!
>>
>> I think the biggest problem we're facing at the moment, to let some
>> teachers test thoughtfully the application is that we should allow them to
>> post entries to their own blog, being able to upload pictures on them...
>> which is not possible at the moment. As soon as we solve this (allowing
>> pictures uploading from the moodle interface?), we will be able to get more
>> feedback from teachers.
>>
>> One question: I'm working on the new home page for the blog,
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog, isn't there any problem in putting the
>> passwords there for the moment?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pablo
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your input.
>>
>> Tarun
>>
>>
>>
>
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