[OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 24, Issue 11

Usha Gowri usha.gowri at gmail.com
Tue Nov 4 08:58:09 EST 2008 

So is Marc "unsubscribed" or not.?
If he is ,it should go immediately-because it will silence the already
lurking members in this forum
And censorship is deadly for any organisation.

If not -end of story.

Satish-I think most of us are on Skype .I am willing to take the
responsibility of getting all of you for a conference on Skype.I think if we
can get over our concerns most people can think forward.
Satish,what say you?
Gowri


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>   1. Re: "You have been unsubscribed from the India mailing list"
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>   2. Norms for all of us on this list.. (Satish Jha OLPC)
>   3. Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the OLPC?and why I
>      dropped it . (Saswat Praharaj)
>   4. Re: Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the OLPC?and why I
>      dropped it . (Walter Bender)
>   5. Re: Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the OLPC?and why I
>      dropped it . (Satish Jha OLPC)
>   6. Re: Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the OLPC?and why I
>      dropped it . (Walter Bender)
>   7. Re: Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the OLPC?and why I
>      dropped it . (Satish Jha)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:25:08 +0100
> From: Shikhar <shikhar at schmizz.net>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] "You have been unsubscribed from the India
>        mailing list"
> To: Marc Valentin <mvalentin at oeuvredespains.org>
> Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID: <490F33F4.8070509 at schmizz.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Marc Valentin wrote:
> > Yes, that is right, they finally unsubscribed me from India mailing list
> !
> > Why ? Because some of my questions are not "politically correct" I
> > suppose... But why our questions should be "politically correct" ?
> > Don't we deserve real answers from Satish/OLPC ? Is the truth so dark
> > that it cannot be written in a message on the list ? I cannot imagine
> > that.
> > Can't we have our own opinion about how OLPC can help educate children
> > ? Is it not understandable to care more about support, teachers
> > training, curriculum, than the distribution of millions of XO ? Rigid
> > ideology could ruin this project.
> > For sometime, I will get my news from wiki.laptop.org and olpcnews.com
> > and stop participating to this list.
> > I was registered for more than a year.
> > -marc-
> > mvalentin AT oeuvredespains.org
> >
>
> This is ridiculous. Marc has been asking questions a lot of us want to
> know the answers to. If the India team does not have the answers, it's
> better to just admit than flipflop about... as for unsubscribing him
> from the list, that's outright censorship.
>
>
> Shikhar
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:36:55 -0500
> From: "Satish Jha OLPC" <satish at laptop.org>
> Subject: [OLPC India] Norms for all of us on this list..
> To: india at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID:
>        <6477369f0811030936w2b9cad15jc82863f42fd7314e at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> It has gone too far..
>
> No one was unsubscribed.. If he was how did he post the message?
>
> That said, I am of the opinion that anyone who is not positive should not
> post messages. Anyone doing it twice may be removed.
>
> As regards the questions, each question has been answered. In case
> something
> has been missed, please itemize them and post them again rather than using
> words like "ridiculous". Its entirely possible that your assumptions may be
> unfounded.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Shikhar <shikhar at schmizz.net> wrote:
>
> > Marc Valentin wrote:
> > > Yes, that is right, they finally unsubscribed me from India mailing
> list
> > !
> > > Why ? Because some of my questions are not "politically correct" I
> > > suppose... But why our questions should be "politically correct" ?
> > > Don't we deserve real answers from Satish/OLPC ? Is the truth so dark
> > > that it cannot be written in a message on the list ? I cannot imagine
> > > that.
> > > Can't we have our own opinion about how OLPC can help educate children
> > > ? Is it not understandable to care more about support, teachers
> > > training, curriculum, than the distribution of millions of XO ? Rigid
> > > ideology could ruin this project.
> > > For sometime, I will get my news from wiki.laptop.org and olpcnews.com
> > > and stop participating to this list.
> > > I was registered for more than a year.
> > > -marc-
> > > mvalentin AT oeuvredespains.org
> > >
> >
> > This is ridiculous. Marc has been asking questions a lot of us want to
> > know the answers to. If the India team does not have the answers, it's
> > better to just admit than flipflop about... as for unsubscribing him
> > from the list, that's outright censorship.
> >
> >
> > Shikhar
> >  _______________________________________________
> > India mailing list
> > India at lists.laptop.org
> > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
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> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:33:18 -0800 (PST)
> From: Saswat Praharaj <saswat_praharaj at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [OLPC India] Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the
>        OLPC?and why I dropped it .
> To: india at lists.laptop.org
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> http://www.bostonreview.net/BR33.6/stallman.php
>
>
> Snip >>>.
> The One Laptop Per Child project, launched by MIT professor Nicholas
> Negroponte in 2003, was supposed to lead millions of children around
> the world to information technology and freedom. The plans aimed for
> low cost, enabling many children to use the machines, and free
> software, so they would have freedom while using them. I thought it was
> a good idea; I even planned to use one myself when I found in the
> OLPC?s promise of free software a way to escape the proprietary startup
> programs that all commercial laptops used.
> But just as I
> was switching to an OLPC, the project backed away from its commitment
> to freedom and allowed the machine to become a platform for running
> Windows, a non-free operating system.
> What makes this
> issue so important, and OLPC?s retreat from free software so
> unfortunate, is that the ?free? in free software refers to freedom of
> knowledge and action, not to price. A program (whatever job it does) is
> free software if you, the user, have the four essential freedoms:
> >>>>>>...
>
>
>      Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to
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> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:02:13 -0500
> From: "Walter Bender" <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the
>        OLPC?and why I dropped it .
> To: "Saswat Praharaj" <saswat_praharaj at yahoo.com>
> Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
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> Sugar, the learning software environment on the OLPC XO-1 laptop and
> that runs on almost any computer that runs GNU/Linux, is free software
> and will always be free software. Learning demands freedom.
>
> -walter
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Saswat Praharaj
> <saswat_praharaj at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > http://www.bostonreview.net/BR33.6/stallman.php
> >
> > Snip >>>.
> >
> > The One Laptop Per Child project, launched by MIT professor Nicholas
> > Negroponte in 2003, was supposed to lead millions of children around the
> > world to information technology and freedom. The plans aimed for low
> cost,
> > enabling many children to use the machines, and free software, so they
> would
> > have freedom while using them. I thought it was a good idea; I even
> planned
> > to use one myself when I found in the OLPC's promise of free software a
> way
> > to escape the proprietary startup programs that all commercial laptops
> used.
> >
> > But just as I was switching to an OLPC, the project backed away from its
> > commitment to freedom and allowed the machine to become a platform for
> > running Windows, a non-free operating system.
> >
> > What makes this issue so important, and OLPC's retreat from free software
> so
> > unfortunate, is that the "free" in free software refers to freedom of
> > knowledge and action, not to price. A program (whatever job it does) is
> free
> > software if you, the user, have the four essential freedoms:
> >
> >>>>>>>...
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now
> > _______________________________________________
> > India mailing list
> > India at lists.laptop.org
> > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:18:38 -0500
> From: "Satish Jha OLPC" <satish at laptop.org>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the
>        OLPC?and why I dropped it .
> To: india at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID:
>        <6477369f0811040218n342b56fame4930fb62150ab5c at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Richard Stallman has been trying to get his idea of "Free" accepted as he
> would like for quite some time. He is a leader in his own right and has
> energised a whole movement of "Free" software.
>
> However, XO is for children. Its for those who need to learn and are not
> already the leaders of a movement, though I hope they will all have access
> to the world that will make a potential leader out of everyone.
>
> My request is that these debates, important as they are, may not belong
> here.
>
> This forum may be far more useful as a way to get the XO reach all those
> who
> need it rather than have ideological debates, which must go on at the right
> places.
>
> Thanks mch.
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Saswat Praharaj
> <saswat_praharaj at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> >  http://www.bostonreview.net/BR33.6/stallman.php
> >
> > Snip >>>.
> >
> > The One Laptop Per Child project, launched by MIT professor Nicholas
> > Negroponte in 2003, was supposed to lead millions of children around the
> > world to information technology and freedom. The plans aimed for low
> cost,
> > enabling many children to use the machines, and free software, so they
> would
> > have freedom while using them. I thought it was a good idea; I even
> planned
> > to use one myself when I found in the OLPC's promise of free software a
> way
> > to escape the proprietary startup programs that all commercial laptops
> used.
> >
> > But just as I was switching to an OLPC, the project backed away from its
> > commitment to freedom and allowed the machine to become a platform for
> > running Windows, a non-free operating system.
> >
> > What makes this issue so important, and OLPC's retreat from free software
> > so unfortunate, is that the "free" in free software refers to freedom of
> > knowledge and action, not to price. A program (whatever job it does) is
> free
> > software if you, the user, have the four essential freedoms:
> >
> > >>>>>>...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now<
> http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_mail_2/*http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > India mailing list
> > India at lists.laptop.org
> > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:53:55 -0500
> From: "Walter Bender" <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the
>        OLPC?and why I dropped it .
> To: "Satish Jha OLPC" <satish at laptop.org>
> Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID:
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>
> Q: Is this list more generally about enabling learning or is more
> narrowly about enabling learning through the OLPC XO-1 hardware?
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Satish Jha OLPC <satish at laptop.org> wrote:
> > Richard Stallman has been trying to get his idea of "Free" accepted as he
> > would like for quite some time. He is a leader in his own right and has
> > energised a whole movement of "Free" software.
> >
> > However, XO is for children. Its for those who need to learn and are not
> > already the leaders of a movement, though I hope they will all have
> access
> > to the world that will make a potential leader out of everyone.
> >
> > My request is that these debates, important as they are, may not belong
> > here.
> >
> > This forum may be far more useful as a way to get the XO reach all those
> who
> > need it rather than have ideological debates, which must go on at the
> right
> > places.
> >
> > Thanks mch.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Saswat Praharaj <
> saswat_praharaj at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.bostonreview.net/BR33.6/stallman.php
> >>
> >> Snip >>>.
> >>
> >> The One Laptop Per Child project, launched by MIT professor Nicholas
> >> Negroponte in 2003, was supposed to lead millions of children around the
> >> world to information technology and freedom. The plans aimed for low
> cost,
> >> enabling many children to use the machines, and free software, so they
> would
> >> have freedom while using them. I thought it was a good idea; I even
> planned
> >> to use one myself when I found in the OLPC's promise of free software a
> way
> >> to escape the proprietary startup programs that all commercial laptops
> used.
> >>
> >> But just as I was switching to an OLPC, the project backed away from its
> >> commitment to freedom and allowed the machine to become a platform for
> >> running Windows, a non-free operating system.
> >>
> >> What makes this issue so important, and OLPC's retreat from free
> software
> >> so unfortunate, is that the "free" in free software refers to freedom of
> >> knowledge and action, not to price. A program (whatever job it does) is
> free
> >> software if you, the user, have the four essential freedoms:
> >>
> >> >>>>>>...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> India mailing list
> >> India at lists.laptop.org
> >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > India mailing list
> > India at lists.laptop.org
> > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:25:09 -0500
> From: "Satish Jha" <satish at laptop.org>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the
>        OLPC?and why I dropped it .
> To: "Walter Bender" <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID:
>        <a7da96740811040425o4b099058o197e1aef35d33f63 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Walter,
>
> Posed this way, the only answer possible is : enabling learning using XO
> and
> its versions in general. Broadly speaking, in the context of OLPC and, in
> particular, its application in India.
>
> More general questions that in the opinion of the participants aid that
> process should be welcome as well. You are a co-founder of OLPC and I would
> think what you may consider appropriate is clearly right.
>
> Thanks and regards
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Q: Is this list more generally about enabling learning or is more
> > narrowly about enabling learning through the OLPC XO-1 hardware?
> >
> > regards.
> >
> > -walter
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Satish Jha OLPC <satish at laptop.org>
> wrote:
> > > Richard Stallman has been trying to get his idea of "Free" accepted as
> he
> > > would like for quite some time. He is a leader in his own right and has
> > > energised a whole movement of "Free" software.
> > >
> > > However, XO is for children. Its for those who need to learn and are
> not
> > > already the leaders of a movement, though I hope they will all have
> > access
> > > to the world that will make a potential leader out of everyone.
> > >
> > > My request is that these debates, important as they are, may not belong
> > > here.
> > >
> > > This forum may be far more useful as a way to get the XO reach all
> those
> > who
> > > need it rather than have ideological debates, which must go on at the
> > right
> > > places.
> > >
> > > Thanks mch.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Saswat Praharaj <
> > saswat_praharaj at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.bostonreview.net/BR33.6/stallman.php
> > >>
> > >> Snip >>>.
> > >>
> > >> The One Laptop Per Child project, launched by MIT professor Nicholas
> > >> Negroponte in 2003, was supposed to lead millions of children around
> the
> > >> world to information technology and freedom. The plans aimed for low
> > cost,
> > >> enabling many children to use the machines, and free software, so they
> > would
> > >> have freedom while using them. I thought it was a good idea; I even
> > planned
> > >> to use one myself when I found in the OLPC's promise of free software
> a
> > way
> > >> to escape the proprietary startup programs that all commercial laptops
> > used.
> > >>
> > >> But just as I was switching to an OLPC, the project backed away from
> its
> > >> commitment to freedom and allowed the machine to become a platform for
> > >> running Windows, a non-free operating system.
> > >>
> > >> What makes this issue so important, and OLPC's retreat from free
> > software
> > >> so unfortunate, is that the "free" in free software refers to freedom
> of
> > >> knowledge and action, not to price. A program (whatever job it does)
> is
> > free
> > >> software if you, the user, have the four essential freedoms:
> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> India mailing list
> > >> India at lists.laptop.org
> > >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > India mailing list
> > > India at lists.laptop.org
> > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >  --
> > Walter Bender
> > Sugar Labs
> > http://www.sugarlabs.org
> >
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