[OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 17, Issue 11
Usha Gowri
usha.gowri at gmail.com
Mon Apr 21 23:06:27 EDT 2008
I am happy to see progress .
Personally what you need now is to apply not IT but management principles of
planning and giving this whole process a clear direction.
I read every mailer only to find it a one step forward and three backward.
Sorry critiquing....but how can we put processes in place? How can I
contribute? The XO is coming....hopefully....but can we put support systems
in place.?Is there anyone here in South India so we can form a group and get
some attention?
Can we be told how to lay our hands on the XO?
And why do I have the same mails repeated three times in one digest?
Could some one please answer queries
Thanks
Gowri
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> 1. Re: Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference on 18th
> April, 2008 (Sameer Verma)
> 2. Re: Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference on 18th
> April, 2008 (Marc Valentin)
> 3. Re: Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference on 18th
> April, 2008 (Sameer Verma)
> 4. Re: Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference on 18th
> April, 2008 (Puneet Goel)
> 5. Re: Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference on 18th
> April, 2008 (Sameer Verma)
> 6. OLPC - Cowdung/Biogas power - Kyoto Protocol logic (Sven AERTS)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:11:34 -0700
> From: Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference
> on 18th April, 2008
> To: india at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID: <480B9566.8010706 at sfsu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> amit gogna wrote:
> > Following is the link giving details of OLPC India Conference :-
> >
> > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_India/Conference_calls#Minutes_of_Meeting
> > _______________________________________________
> > India mailing list
> > India at lists.laptop.org
> > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> >
> A few points that I'd like to add:
>
> The conference call sound quality was a bit of a problem, although I
> don't think this was a problem with the setup. It sounded like someone
> on the conference call was sitting in traffic...way too much traffic
> noise. It was also suggested that we could perhaps look for a hybrid
> conference call setup which would support dial-in and VoIP calls. I know
> that Gizmo supports such a feature, but AFAIK the call in number is a
> US-based number. See
> http://gizmo5.com/pc/products/features/conference-calling/ for details.
>
> In terms of the upcoming installs or pilots in India, I would reiterate
> that interested people and parties should look to other pilots for
> "lessons learned". Nepal and Pakistan come to mind, given their
> proximity. I've seen a lot more public info on the Nepal pilot, though.
> http://www.olenepal.org/ There are several issues that can be
> categorized into hardware, software, localization, repairs, training,
> etc. Many of these will be largely the same for most deployments, so no
> reinvention is necessary. Some issues will of course be specific for
> deployments in different parts of India, and those will have to be
> addressed on a case by case basis.
>
> Another item of concern is the level of awareness. I've talked to people
> at a couple of different LUGs in India about the project, and I got a
> sense if indifference from them. Perhaps we need a stronger push to
> connect LUGs into different OLPC projects. LUGs tend to have goals
> similar to what OLPC has. LUGs aren't really about Linux or FOSS as much
> as they are about education! This was my suggestion to Gaurav (from
> Punjab University) on the phone call. Gaurav's group at Punjab
> University is doing interesting things in reaching out to the
> communities. Gaurav: Can we hear from you on some of those activities?
> Perhaps pointers to slides, blogs, etc.?
>
> LUGs all over India can get involved and spread the word. They can go
> out to the local communities and improve awareness. There is also a
> perception that if you don't have an XO, you can't really do much. This
> is not the case if you are using a live CD though. The current batch of
> Live CDs (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveBackup_XO-LiveCD) provide a
> large proportion of the functionality that one would see on an XO.
> Perhaps this avenue should be explored more. After all, its really a
> Fedora-derived distro. You could very well run an entire classroom of
> these LiveCDs on regular desktops and still avail the features of Sugar!
>
> Then we have the localization bit. Sayamindu Dasgupta and others have
> done a great job of setting up this resource. We need to be able to use
> it to its fullest extent.
>
> On Pootle (https://dev.laptop.org/translate/), we have: Afrikaans,
> Amharic, Arabic, Aymara, Basque, Bengali, Bengali (India), Bulgarian,
> Catalan, Chinese (China), Chinese (Hong Kong), Chinese (Taiwan), Czech,
> Danish, Dari, Dutch, Dzongkha, English, English (South African), English
> (US), Finnish, French, Friulian, Fula, Galician, Georgian, German,
> Greek, Gujarati, Hausa, Hindi, Icelandic, Igbo, Italian, Japanese,
> Khmer, Kinyarwanda, Korean, Kreyol, Macedonian, Malayalam, Maltese,
> Marathi, Mongolian, Nepali, Pashto, Persian, Polish, Portuguese,
> Portuguese (Brazil), Punjabi, Quechua, Romanian, Russian, Serbian,
> Sindhi, Sinhala, Slovenian, Sotho, Spanish, Swedish, Tamil, Telugu,
> Templates, Thai, Turkish, Ukrainian, Urdu, Vietnamese, Wolof, Yoruba,
> pseudo L10n
>
> Look at the list and see if you have a language/script that's not on
> there but you'd like to help with. For basic instructions on how to use
> Pootle see http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/452 The screenshots are a bit
> dated, but the idea should get across. You'll notice on that same page
> that the slides have been translated into Bulgarian and Chinese. How
> about converting the slides into some Indian languages?
>
> In all, I am quite excited to see things moving again on this list.
> Let's hope we keep up the momentum.
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
>
> --
> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Information Systems
> San Francisco State University
> San Francisco CA 94132 USA
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:17:10 +0200
> From: "Marc Valentin" <mvalentin at oeuvredespains.org>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference
> on 18th April, 2008
> To: "Sameer Verma" <sverma at sfsu.edu>, india at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID:
> <99ae10a80804201317t4adde52enb72c3b9180e2b454 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I just want to add this : XO-LiveCD is nice but for those wanting to
> participate to the creation of manuals, tutorials or software
> development, using Virtualization is the way to go : with VMWare,
> VirtualBox,... (see wiki.laptop.org)
> You can work in MSWindows or Linux or Mac having the XO open in a
> Window... very useful for taking snapshots for example.
> -marc-
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > There is also a
> > perception that if you don't have an XO, you can't really do much. This
> > is not the case if you are using a live CD though. The current batch of
> > Live CDs (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveBackup_XO-LiveCD) provide a
> > large proportion of the functionality that one would see on an XO.
> > Perhaps this avenue should be explored more. After all, its really a
> > Fedora-derived distro. You could very well run an entire classroom of
> > these LiveCDs on regular desktops and still avail the features of
> Sugar!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:47:17 -0700
> From: Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference
> on 18th April, 2008
> To: Marc Valentin <mvalentin at oeuvredespains.org>
> Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID: <480BABD5.4000501 at sfsu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Marc Valentin wrote:
> > I just want to add this : XO-LiveCD is nice but for those wanting to
> > participate to the creation of manuals, tutorials or software
> > development, using Virtualization is the way to go : with VMWare,
> > VirtualBox,... (see wiki.laptop.org)
> > You can work in MSWindows or Linux or Mac having the XO open in a
> > Window... very useful for taking snapshots for example.
> >
> I would second that. VMs are great for documentation.
>
> Sameer
> > -marc-
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> There is also a
> >> perception that if you don't have an XO, you can't really do much.
> This
> >> is not the case if you are using a live CD though. The current batch
> of
> >> Live CDs (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveBackup_XO-LiveCD) provide a
> >> large proportion of the functionality that one would see on an XO.
> >> Perhaps this avenue should be explored more. After all, its really a
> >> Fedora-derived distro. You could very well run an entire classroom of
> >> these LiveCDs on regular desktops and still avail the features of
> Sugar!
> >>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:16:02 +0530
> From: "Puneet Goel" <g.puneet at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference
> on 18th April, 2008
> To: india at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID:
> <b73c9f030804202146p6051cda1q15a92413d5d3caa at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi,
>
> Just want to know why don't we do these meets on IRC. Many people can
> participate and we can avoid the problems like noise disturbance.
>
> Thanks
> Puneet
>
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:41 AM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
>
> > amit gogna wrote:
> > > Following is the link giving details of OLPC India Conference :-
> > >
> > >
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_India/Conference_calls#Minutes_of_Meeting
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > India mailing list
> > > India at lists.laptop.org
> > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> > >
> > A few points that I'd like to add:
> >
> > The conference call sound quality was a bit of a problem, although I
> > don't think this was a problem with the setup. It sounded like someone
> > on the conference call was sitting in traffic...way too much traffic
> > noise. It was also suggested that we could perhaps look for a hybrid
> > conference call setup which would support dial-in and VoIP calls. I know
> > that Gizmo supports such a feature, but AFAIK the call in number is a
> > US-based number. See
> > http://gizmo5.com/pc/products/features/conference-calling/ for details.
> >
> > In terms of the upcoming installs or pilots in India, I would reiterate
> > that interested people and parties should look to other pilots for
> > "lessons learned". Nepal and Pakistan come to mind, given their
> > proximity. I've seen a lot more public info on the Nepal pilot, though.
> > http://www.olenepal.org/ There are several issues that can be
> > categorized into hardware, software, localization, repairs, training,
> > etc. Many of these will be largely the same for most deployments, so no
> > reinvention is necessary. Some issues will of course be specific for
> > deployments in different parts of India, and those will have to be
> > addressed on a case by case basis.
> >
> > Another item of concern is the level of awareness. I've talked to people
> > at a couple of different LUGs in India about the project, and I got a
> > sense if indifference from them. Perhaps we need a stronger push to
> > connect LUGs into different OLPC projects. LUGs tend to have goals
> > similar to what OLPC has. LUGs aren't really about Linux or FOSS as much
> > as they are about education! This was my suggestion to Gaurav (from
> > Punjab University) on the phone call. Gaurav's group at Punjab
> > University is doing interesting things in reaching out to the
> > communities. Gaurav: Can we hear from you on some of those activities?
> > Perhaps pointers to slides, blogs, etc.?
> >
> > LUGs all over India can get involved and spread the word. They can go
> > out to the local communities and improve awareness. There is also a
> > perception that if you don't have an XO, you can't really do much. This
> > is not the case if you are using a live CD though. The current batch of
> > Live CDs (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveBackup_XO-LiveCD) provide a
> > large proportion of the functionality that one would see on an XO.
> > Perhaps this avenue should be explored more. After all, its really a
> > Fedora-derived distro. You could very well run an entire classroom of
> > these LiveCDs on regular desktops and still avail the features of Sugar!
> >
> > Then we have the localization bit. Sayamindu Dasgupta and others have
> > done a great job of setting up this resource. We need to be able to use
> > it to its fullest extent.
> >
> > On Pootle (https://dev.laptop.org/translate/), we have: Afrikaans,
> > Amharic, Arabic, Aymara, Basque, Bengali, Bengali (India), Bulgarian,
> > Catalan, Chinese (China), Chinese (Hong Kong), Chinese (Taiwan), Czech,
> > Danish, Dari, Dutch, Dzongkha, English, English (South African), English
> > (US), Finnish, French, Friulian, Fula, Galician, Georgian, German,
> > Greek, Gujarati, Hausa, Hindi, Icelandic, Igbo, Italian, Japanese,
> > Khmer, Kinyarwanda, Korean, Kreyol, Macedonian, Malayalam, Maltese,
> > Marathi, Mongolian, Nepali, Pashto, Persian, Polish, Portuguese,
> > Portuguese (Brazil), Punjabi, Quechua, Romanian, Russian, Serbian,
> > Sindhi, Sinhala, Slovenian, Sotho, Spanish, Swedish, Tamil, Telugu,
> > Templates, Thai, Turkish, Ukrainian, Urdu, Vietnamese, Wolof, Yoruba,
> > pseudo L10n
> >
> > Look at the list and see if you have a language/script that's not on
> > there but you'd like to help with. For basic instructions on how to use
> > Pootle see http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/452 The screenshots are a bit
> > dated, but the idea should get across. You'll notice on that same page
> > that the slides have been translated into Bulgarian and Chinese. How
> > about converting the slides into some Indian languages?
> >
> > In all, I am quite excited to see things moving again on this list.
> > Let's hope we keep up the momentum.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Sameer
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> > Associate Professor of Information Systems
> > San Francisco State University
> > San Francisco CA 94132 USA
> > http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> > http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > India mailing list
> > India at lists.laptop.org
> > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:54:02 -0700
> From: Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference
> on 18th April, 2008
> To: Puneet Goel <g.puneet at gmail.com>
> Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID: <480C1DEA.8020301 at sfsu.edu>
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>
> Puneet Goel wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just want to know why don't we do these meets on IRC. Many people can
> > participate and we can avoid the problems like noise disturbance.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Puneet
> >
> Sometimes you just can't get to a computer, but you can talk on the
> phone. I think voice calls actually convey a lot more than IRC channels.
> Of course, we can always have IRC in parallel. That's what we did for
> the server team conference.
>
> Sameer
>
> --
> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Information Systems
> San Francisco State University
> San Francisco CA 94132 USA
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:11:48 +0200
> From: Sven AERTS <svenaerts228 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [OLPC India] OLPC - Cowdung/Biogas power - Kyoto Protocol
> logic
> To: india at lists.laptop.org
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> Would it not be more feasible to use biogas for cooking and cooling,
> and brewing some vodka - I mean - ethanol to power a little fuel cell
> to run the OLPC ?
> Don't tell me there's no Vodka-equivalent over there... so the
> farmers know how to brew ethanol ...
>
> As a "Kyoto Protocol Consultant", I dare to say that prices of
> PhotoVoltaics or Fuel Cells shouldn't be a problem since the OLPC-
> organisation could claim the CO2-certificates for the whole project:
> 1. I think that opening up the olpc-project from a computer project
> to an education to a CO2-reducing project would enable the OLPC-
> education project to get access to the financial power behind the
> "Kyoto Protocol".
> I've posted a presentation on the matter:
> http://www.slideshare.net/SvenAERTS/olp-csmall
>
> 2. The logic is; A normal PC consumes an average x kWh. Electricity
> is produced on the average in that country by emitting y tons of
> Greenhouse gasses. So using an OLPC only uses x-something kWh x 1
> million OLPC's in this country and the difference of the normal
> computers - olpc computers in Greenhouse gasses NOT emitted can be
> claimed as CO2 certificates and sold to CO2 emitting
> countries'governments and companies in the West that HAVE to buy CO2-
> certificates (price is now about 20?/CO2certificate.
>
> 3. I'd say: present OLPC as a technique where you go via the kids and
> the schools to the parents and society as a whole to catalyze CO2-
> reducing projects and the accompanying CO2-certificates: let the
> ministiry of education make a list of all the Schools and public
> buildings ... get an agreement to equip them with PV, Solar
> collector, WindTurbine, relighting with low energy lamps ... get a
> mandate to present that to the "Kyoto Protocol" financiers that need
> CO2-certificates ... I am sure I can convince them to finance such a
> project under these conditions.
>
> Sincerely,
> Skype: SvenAERTS
> Kyoto Protocol Consultant-Brussels
> Engineer, Car Mechanic, Post Graduated in international Relations/
> Finance and Peace Development
>
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