[Health] [Grassroots-l] Health Jam 2008

Bryan Berry bryan.berry at gmail.com
Wed Apr 30 00:16:09 EDT 2008


the key though is to start out w/ a target user and find out their
requirements. I may be able to con my roommate into being such a target
user as she has worked in rural public health w/in Nepal for the last 15
years. Will have to ask her though.

On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 23:29 -0400, Chris Leonard wrote:
> Bryan,
>  
> There is absolutely no reason for you to accept my assurances about
> copyright, I certainly wouldn't take just anybody's word on it, no
> offense taken or intended.  I think this is a general challenge to the
> OLPC Library content collection and re-publishing effort, because not
> everyone puts as much thought into copyright and tagging content with
> licenses as open source/content advocates.  The need to think deeply
> and clearly about copyright is a potentially substantial barrier-to
> entry for subject matter experts (health, science, education, etc.)
> that needs to be addressed thoughtfully.  
>  
> As luck would have it, this page is pretty explicit that "All of these
> materials are in the public domain and may be reproduced without
> permission."
> http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/PubsOrderForm/default.asp
>  
> For many materials produced by the US Government, I have reasonably
> high level of confidence that copyright review will show that they are
> dedicated to the public domain, but someone (OLPC?) should get a real
> lawyer to render an opinion, I just play one on the Internet and in my
> firm's Intellectual Property Committee meetings.
>  
> This happens to be under the grand-daddy of all US "open-source"
> licenses, written right into the law itself.  Most (but not all)
> content that is categorized as a US Govt. work under the meaning of
> Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 101.
>  
> "A "work of the United States Government" is a work prepared by an
> officer or employee of the United States Government as part of that
> person's official duties."
> http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#101
>  
> is therefore dedicated to the public domain under Title 17, Chapter 1,
> Section 105.
>  
> "Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work
> of the United States Government, but the United States Government is
> not precluded from receiving and holding copyrights transferred to it
> by assignment, bequest, or otherwise."
> http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#105
>  
> A U.S. based intellectual property lawyer will generally know all
> about "US Govt works", they had to know it to pass the bar exam.  It
> is actually a really important issue for OLPC's purposes, because some
> of the most distribution-ready and usable stuff that will be found in
> health content is going to be on US Govt sites, but that is a
> discussion that should probably branch onto the Library list at some
> point.
>  
> As an aside, I'm going to decline to cross-post it right now, but by
> hitting the send button I think I'm licensing this message by OLPC's
> preferred terms, which I think is CC-BY 2.5, but that is for the wiki
> and neither the Lists page (http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/) nor the
> "welcome to the list" message are explicit about that, may be
> something OLPC should look into, copyright stuff is really a
> bear. . . 
>  
> Back to the real issue at hand, I thought the link I had sent was
> maybe a little advanced in vocabulary.  For something targeted at a
> younger audience, see the UNESCO homepage link (which fortunately is
> also explicit about being free of copyright) on this wiki-page.
>  
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Children%27s_Health_Books
>  
> I found these materials on UNESCO's site and Mel Chua (and I think she
> said her aunt) is apparently interested in taking on the paper-layout
> to electronic-layout conversion, these print as fold-over booklets.
> The language is for a much younger audience and UNESCO happily
> includes materials to aid in their classroom use by teachers.
>  
> The whole question of getting content (as opposed to code) translated
> is something I wish I understood better. 
>  
> cjl
> 
> 
>  
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>         This is quite nice, w/ one concern - is it under an
>         open-source license?
>         The English reading level is far too high for even most of our
>         teachers
>         
>         If we could translate it to Nepali it would be quite perfect
>         for our
>         needs here in Nepal.
>         
>         thanks Chris
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 17:55 -0400, Chris Leonard wrote:
>         > I am very interested in participating in the discussion
>         although I'm
>         > still collecting my thoughts (I share many of Bryan's
>         views).
>         >
>         > However, in the spirit of "working code first" and as a
>         > possible answer to one of his specific requests.
>         >
>         > How does this look?
>         >
>         > Understanding Microbes in Sickness and Health
>         >
>         http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/healthscience/healthtopics/microbes/PDF/microbesbook.pdf
>         >
>         >
>         > Pros:
>         >
>         > 1) On topic
>         >
>         > 2)  Authoritative (product of NIH, National Institute of
>         Allergy and
>         > Infectious Diseases)
>         >
>         > 3)  Public domain as US Govt. Work (specifically NIH
>         Publication No.
>         > 06-4914)
>         >
>         > Cons:
>         >
>         > 1) Maybe a little high end in the vocubulary, target for US
>         govt. pubs
>         > is often 10th-grade reading level.
>         >
>         > 2) Currently only in English (maybe Spanish with some luck,
>         but
>         > definitely not Nepali)
>         >
>         > Bryan, can you show this to someone in Nepal to see if it
>         looks close
>         > to what they would like to see?  Feedback would assist the
>         search
>         > for something suitable.
>         >
>         > cjl
>         >
>         >         On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Bryan Berry
>         >         <bryan.berry at gmail.com> wrote:
>         >                 absolutely,
>         >
>         >                 Start w/ some simple goals for Health
>         >
>         >                 1 activity for first aid
>         >                 1 activity on nutrition
>         >                 1 activity on the causes of disease
>         >
>         >                 1 good pdf on the causes of disease
>         >
>         >                 Then do some work on them to get started.
>         After you
>         >                 have some prototypes
>         >                 __then__ go look for help. The argument is
>         "Here are
>         >                 our goals, here is
>         >                 what we have so far, please help us improve
>         what we
>         >                 have. However, if
>         >                 you are think you could create better
>         content yourself
>         >                 by starting from
>         >                 scratch, please do so."
>         >
>         >                 If you ask the larger community for help
>         w/out having
>         >                 any existing
>         >                 prototypes or precise goals, everyone goes
>         off in
>         >                 different directions.
>         >
>         >                 Martin Langhoff's e-mail motto sums it up
>         quite well
>         >
>         >                 "don't get distracted with shiny stuff -
>         working code
>         >                 first"
>         >
>         >                 Since you have an all-volunteer team on OLPC
>         Health,
>         >                 you need projects
>         >                 where folks can contribute a few hours a
>         week. I
>         >                 recommend avoiding
>         >                 architecturally complex or esoteric
>         technical
>         >                 projects, it will be hard
>         >                 for folks to put in the necessary time and
>         for others
>         >                 not so acquainted
>         >                 w/ that obscure platform to contribute. We
>         are running
>         >                 into this problem
>         >                 w/ EPaati since it is coded in Squeak.
>         >
>         >                 If you could get some of Greg Smith's time,
>         he could
>         >                 help you put
>         >                 together a project plan. He has been very
>         helpful to
>         >                 me. He is also
>         >                 resident in Boston
>         >
>         >                 hope this helps
>         >
>         >
>         >                 On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 00:01 +0530, Arjun
>         Sarwal wrote:
>         >                 > >  Why didn't the Health Jam focus on
>         getting folks
>         >                 to help w/ the
>         >                 > >  development of these activities that
>         you
>         >                 described?
>         >                 > >
>         >                 > >  Too many OLPC content projects are
>         characterized
>         >                 by
>         >                 > >  1) Lots of great ideas
>         >                 > >  2) Lack of focus
>         >                 > >  3) Lots of excitement, wiki pages, and
>         e-mails
>         >                 > >  4) Not much output in terms of finished
>         >                 activities or activity bundles.
>         >                 > >
>         >                 > >  Sorry to be blunt but we need to change
>         this.
>         >                 > >
>         >                 >
>         >                 > Ideas on getting started with this
>         change ?
>         >                 >
>         >                 > (just trying to push the conversation
>         forward in
>         >                 this direction as I
>         >                 > agree with your point to some extent)
>         >                 >
>         >                 > best
>         >                 > Arjun
>         >                 >
>         >                 >
>         >                 > From: Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com>
>         >                 > Subject: Re: [Grassroots-l] Health Jam
>         2008
>         >                 > To: Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com>
>         >                 > Cc: olpc-open <olpc-open at laptop.org>,
>         Games for
>         >                 the OLPC
>         >                 >        <games at lists.laptop.org>,
>         >                 grassroots at lists.laptop.org
>         >                 > Message-ID:
>         >
>         <1209493566.7102.84.camel at dell.linuxdev.us.dell.com>
>         >                 > Content-Type: text/plain
>         >                 >
>         >                 > >There's no contradiction between
>         activities that
>         >                 are fun, or with
>         >                 > >complex ideas behind them, and those that
>         teach the
>         >                 most basic health
>         >                 > >and survival skills to children.
>         >                 >
>         >                 > Teaching basic health and survival skills
>         to kids is
>         >                 actually quite
>         >                 > complex.
>         >                 >
>         >                 > EKG's w/ the XO or the VistA healthcare
>         suite are
>         >                 neat apps but not what
>         >                 > is needed by most deployments.
>         >                 >
>         >                 > When I refer to "complex" I more precisely
>         mean
>         >                 problems that are
>         >                 > technically interesting but not directly
>         not related
>         >                 to education for
>         >                 > kids ages 6-12, OLPC's primary focus.
>         >                 >
>         >                 > Why didn't the Health Jam focus on getting
>         folks to
>         >                 help w/ the
>         >                 > development of these activities that you
>         described?
>         >                 >
>         >                 > Too many OLPC content projects are
>         characterized by
>         >                 > 1) Lots of great ideas
>         >                 > 2) Lack of focus
>         >                 > 3) Lots of excitement, wiki pages, and
>         e-mails
>         >                 > 4) Not much output in terms of finished
>         activities
>         >                 or activity bundles.
>         >                 >
>         >                 > Sorry to be blunt but we need to change
>         this.
>         >                 >
>         >                 >
>         >                 > On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 13:47 -0400, Samuel
>         Klein
>         >                 wrote:
>         >                 > > There's no contradiction between
>         activities that
>         >                 are fun, or with
>         >                 > > complex ideas behind them, and those
>         that teach
>         >                 the most basic health
>         >                 > > and survival skills to children.
>         >                 > >
>         >                 > > There are three health-related games
>         being
>         >                 proposed and worked on at
>         >                 > > the moment that are good examples; all
>         of which
>         >                 could use further
>         >                 > > specific input.  Food Force is closest
>         to having
>         >                 something playable...
>         >                 > > pehaps Muriel and Deepank can say a bit
>         more about
>         >                 its recent status.
>         >                 > >
>         >                 > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Water_Wonders
>         >                 > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Malnutrition
>         >                 > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Food_Force
>         >                 > >
>         >                 > > SJ
>         >
>         >
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