[Grassroots-l] Grassroots Digest, Vol 20, Issue 4

Holt holt at laptop.org
Tue Mar 10 12:34:57 EDT 2009

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Daniel Bennett wrote:
> Hi Mel,
> Great Post.  +1 here.  Just a quick question.  I can't seem to get 
> past the login screen when trying to view the archived support gang 
> email from March: 
>     5. Is there a possibility of publishing emails like the ones on
>     http://lists.laptop.org/private/support-gang/2009-March/005198.html so
>     that people not on the private support-gang mailing list can see them?
> I'm on the support gang, but it's not accepting any of my passwords 
> (teamwiki, rt, etc.)  I also don't believe that I've ever been asked 
> to associate my email address with a password via the support gang 
> either.  It's always been a username, right?
> Any clue on how to view that email?
> Thanks,
> -Dan
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>       1. What's up with OLPCorps? (Mel Chua)
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>     Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:23:15 -0400
>     From: Mel Chua <mel at melchua.com <mailto:mel at melchua.com>>
>     Subject: [Grassroots-l] What's up with OLPCorps?
>     To: OLPC Grassroots list <grassroots at lists.laptop.org
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>     Cc: Paul Commons <commons at laptop.org <mailto:commons at laptop.org>>
>     Message-ID: <49B5F943.5010302 at melchua.com
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>     Ok, I'm going to be somewhat presumptious here.
>     I've been watching the community reactions to
>     http://www.onehereonethere.org and the OLPCorps program and have been
>     hearing a lot of frustrations and a lot of questions - the vast
>     majority
>     of which I share, actually - and decided to ping Paul Commons to see
>     what I could learn about what they were trying to do. We just had our
>     first conversation tonight, over the phone; it was a tough but good
>     conversation, and can be generally summarized by "there's a
>     community of
>     very smart and awesome people out there and you should talk with them
>     and ask them things." "how?"
>     To go out on a limb here - and I could be wrong - it seems to me
>     that at
>     least some of this frustration comes from (1) Paul being still in the
>     middle of learning how to work with the kind of volunteer communities
>     that OLPC has, and (2) from the impression that after multiple
>     years and
>     untold thousands of man-hours of volunteering for OLPC without much in
>     the way of thanks or support, here drops this BLESSED PROJECT!
>     from the
>     sky with these people you have never heard of with no prior
>     contribution
>     record that you know of magically getting all these resources from
>     1cc,
>     including lots of shiny press, for no apparent reason, and that just
>     seems... unfair. Regardless of the actual situation, I'm guessing that
>     it might /seem/ that way to some people. (It did to me, and still kind
>     of does, though I know that's likely due to me missing huge swaths of
>     the story.)
>     I still don't know the actual situation. It's kind of silly to think
>     that anybody does. But I think I know a little more now, enough to
>     conclude that we can't deal with (2) until (1) gets a little further
>     along - so I was really happy to hear that Paul is trying to make the
>     workings of OLPCorps more transparent and trying to figure out how to
>     respond to the feedback - especially the criticism - we've offered on
>     many different forums. He needs help/advice on how to do it - learning
>     the unwritten rules of how to participate in a new community is hard.
>     In that vein, and with the long prelude finished, instead of
>     asking Paul
>     all the questions I had over the phone, we agreed that I would send a
>     first round of my questions about OLPCorps out over a public mailing
>     list (hi!) so that Paul could respond and we could continue our
>     dialog,
>     so here it is. (Paul, I know you're incredibly busy right now, so
>     holler
>     back when you have time.)
>     1.It's hard to get a sense of who you are and what you're working on
>     from the (very professional!) descriptions! at
>     http://www.onehereonethere.org/board.asp. When we talked on the phone
>     tonight. You told me a far more interesting backstory about how your
>     involvement and the OLPCorps project started, and how you worked alone
>     for a long time on an unsupported project to make this happen
>     before it
>     was picked up and supported by 1cc, which is inspiring (and
>     encouraging
>     and instructional for those of us who've been trying to get
>     support for
>     our own projects for a while. ;) How can we hear more about this?
>     2. What previous deployments (including "unofficial" grassroots
>     deployments like http://blog.olenepal.org/,
>     http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Boston pilots, http://waveplace.com/, and
>     http://www.olpcfriends.org as well as the many deployment teachers at
>     http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur) have you spoken to?
>     What was
>     their reaction/feedback? How will what you're doing affect/help their
>     deployments?
>     3. Ditto above for
>     http://wiki.laptop.org/go/University_chapters#University_Groups,
>     noting
>     that not all students volunteering for OLPC are in university, not all
>     university students volunteer as part of a group, and not all
>     groups are
>     listed on that page.
>     4. Why are we emailing olpccorps at laptop.org
>     <mailto:olpccorps at laptop.org> for more information or to
>     offer help? Why not olpccorps at lists.laptop.org
>     <mailto:olpccorps at lists.laptop.org>, where people can view
>     previous introductions and comment on and welcome new inquirers? (It
>     won't happen automatically - opening something publicly up to
>     volunteers
>     will not magically solve all your problems - but this makes it
>     possible
>     for us to help.)
>     5. Is there a possibility of publishing emails like the ones on
>     http://lists.laptop.org/private/support-gang/2009-March/005198.html so
>     that people not on the private support-gang mailing list can see them?
>     Can we see the rough planning emails that have been going back and
>     forth, and otherwise see why you made the decisions you made, what
>     you're trying to figure out, and what you're having trouble with
>     so that
>     we can help? (There are a good number of people here who have run or
>     mentored internship programs before.) I know they're rough and show a
>     lot of mistakes - this is the equivalent of publishing your source
>     code
>     so that other people can help you find and fix the bugs. We know from
>     all the things you've made so far that you can definitely operate very
>     professionally and produce polished things when you need to, but it's
>     hard to get invested and involved if we can't see and join the
>     conversation.
>     I have a million more questions about training, publicity, follow-up,
>     sustainability, how you'll gauge your impact, etc. but I'll save them
>     for a second round. ;)
>     --Mel
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