[Grassroots-l] Grassroots Digest, Vol 20, Issue 4

Daniel Bennett dantana at gmail.com
Tue Mar 10 12:13:43 EDT 2009

Hi Mel,
Great Post.  +1 here.  Just a quick question.  I can't seem to get past the
login screen when trying to view the archived support gang email from

> 5. Is there a possibility of publishing emails like the ones on
> http://lists.laptop.org/private/support-gang/2009-March/005198.html so
> that people not on the private support-gang mailing list can see them?

I'm on the support gang, but it's not accepting any of my passwords
(teamwiki, rt, etc.)  I also don't believe that I've ever been asked to
associate my email address with a password via the support gang either.
 It's always been a username, right?

Any clue on how to view that email?


On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:00 AM, <grassroots-request at lists.laptop.org>wrote:

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>   1. What's up with OLPCorps? (Mel Chua)
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> From: Mel Chua <mel at melchua.com>
> Subject: [Grassroots-l] What's up with OLPCorps?
> To: OLPC Grassroots list <grassroots at lists.laptop.org>
> Cc: Paul Commons <commons at laptop.org>
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> Ok, I'm going to be somewhat presumptious here.
> I've been watching the community reactions to
> http://www.onehereonethere.org and the OLPCorps program and have been
> hearing a lot of frustrations and a lot of questions - the vast majority
> of which I share, actually - and decided to ping Paul Commons to see
> what I could learn about what they were trying to do. We just had our
> first conversation tonight, over the phone; it was a tough but good
> conversation, and can be generally summarized by "there's a community of
> very smart and awesome people out there and you should talk with them
> and ask them things." "how?"
> To go out on a limb here - and I could be wrong - it seems to me that at
> least some of this frustration comes from (1) Paul being still in the
> middle of learning how to work with the kind of volunteer communities
> that OLPC has, and (2) from the impression that after multiple years and
> untold thousands of man-hours of volunteering for OLPC without much in
> the way of thanks or support, here drops this BLESSED PROJECT! from the
> sky with these people you have never heard of with no prior contribution
> record that you know of magically getting all these resources from 1cc,
> including lots of shiny press, for no apparent reason, and that just
> seems... unfair. Regardless of the actual situation, I'm guessing that
> it might /seem/ that way to some people. (It did to me, and still kind
> of does, though I know that's likely due to me missing huge swaths of
> the story.)
> I still don't know the actual situation. It's kind of silly to think
> that anybody does. But I think I know a little more now, enough to
> conclude that we can't deal with (2) until (1) gets a little further
> along - so I was really happy to hear that Paul is trying to make the
> workings of OLPCorps more transparent and trying to figure out how to
> respond to the feedback - especially the criticism - we've offered on
> many different forums. He needs help/advice on how to do it - learning
> the unwritten rules of how to participate in a new community is hard.
> In that vein, and with the long prelude finished, instead of asking Paul
> all the questions I had over the phone, we agreed that I would send a
> first round of my questions about OLPCorps out over a public mailing
> list (hi!) so that Paul could respond and we could continue our dialog,
> so here it is. (Paul, I know you're incredibly busy right now, so holler
> back when you have time.)
> 1.It's hard to get a sense of who you are and what you're working on
> from the (very professional!) descriptions! at
> http://www.onehereonethere.org/board.asp. When we talked on the phone
> tonight. You told me a far more interesting backstory about how your
> involvement and the OLPCorps project started, and how you worked alone
> for a long time on an unsupported project to make this happen before it
> was picked up and supported by 1cc, which is inspiring (and encouraging
> and instructional for those of us who've been trying to get support for
> our own projects for a while. ;) How can we hear more about this?
> 2. What previous deployments (including "unofficial" grassroots
> deployments like http://blog.olenepal.org/,
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Boston pilots, http://waveplace.com/, and
> http://www.olpcfriends.org as well as the many deployment teachers at
> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur) have you spoken to? What was
> their reaction/feedback? How will what you're doing affect/help their
> deployments?
> 3. Ditto above for
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/University_chapters#University_Groups, noting
> that not all students volunteering for OLPC are in university, not all
> university students volunteer as part of a group, and not all groups are
> listed on that page.
> 4. Why are we emailing olpccorps at laptop.org for more information or to
> offer help? Why not olpccorps at lists.laptop.org, where people can view
> previous introductions and comment on and welcome new inquirers? (It
> won't happen automatically - opening something publicly up to volunteers
> will not magically solve all your problems - but this makes it possible
> for us to help.)
> 5. Is there a possibility of publishing emails like the ones on
> http://lists.laptop.org/private/support-gang/2009-March/005198.html so
> that people not on the private support-gang mailing list can see them?
> Can we see the rough planning emails that have been going back and
> forth, and otherwise see why you made the decisions you made, what
> you're trying to figure out, and what you're having trouble with so that
> we can help? (There are a good number of people here who have run or
> mentored internship programs before.) I know they're rough and show a
> lot of mistakes - this is the equivalent of publishing your source code
> so that other people can help you find and fix the bugs. We know from
> all the things you've made so far that you can definitely operate very
> professionally and produce polished things when you need to, but it's
> hard to get invested and involved if we can't see and join the
> conversation.
> I have a million more questions about training, publicity, follow-up,
> sustainability, how you'll gauge your impact, etc. but I'll save them
> for a second round. ;)
> --Mel
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