[Etoys] First use of OLPC feedback (bugs, suggestions, questions)

Bert Freudenberg bert at freudenbergs.de
Sat Nov 10 19:00:15 EST 2007


sorry, for the most part I have no idea what you're talking about.

Do you have a B4 now? If so, great! But it probably came with build  
406 which is totally outdated. You should update to the current  
stable build and firmware (623, q2d03) before reporting bugs. And  
even that is not the latest version, but has Etoys of two months ago.  
You can use this URL to see currently open Etoys tickets:


Also note that many things that work in 623 will not work in the next  
stable build, because the security framework is now enabled.

All file access (even on a USB stick) is via the Journal - but this  
wasn't implemented in 406 yet.

We agree very much that "the Smalltalk part could be made easier to  
access", this is what my several calls to the Squeak community were  
about, without much response so far. The core team is busy enough  
with making Etoys work, we can't spend too much time on making the  
Smalltalk experience better, yet. We try nevertheless - in the latest  
version we support the view-source key, for example.

- Bert -

On Nov 10, 2007, at 22:48 , stephane ducasse wrote:

> Hi all
> He took me at least 10 min to be able to open it (I'm really terrible
> with user interfaces) but the result is quite cool.
> please find a list of bugs/questions/suggestions after playing with
> my laptop (which is quite cool).
> OLPC Bug:
> ------------
> - I clicked on the mess network then on the small triangle with
> represent my wifi  and I got a window to type the login.
> I typed the login in, but I could never get the Ok button letting me
> to press it. :(
> Etoy Bugs:
> ------
> - etoy projects may get in your way: they can stay over the first
> etoy window and you do not know how to get rid of them.
> of course there is the halos but it feels strange.
> - when I do load, click on OLPC, get a dialog window, click cancel, I
> get a primitive fail with a debugger.
> Suggestion:
> ------------
> - Is there any plans to have access to the squeak games: SameCell,
> tetris and chess.
> Because a chess program would be cool on this machine.
> I could open the sameGame because I could get access to the menu:
> - the size of the square are a bit too small.
> - This is a pity that the Squeak classes have so few comments because
> I'm sure a kid could get alone
> the SameGame new openInWorld but if it would be explained. I think
> that there is a huge opportunity that such
> a "details" can break.
> - I was wondering why stuff like skipLists are still in this image.
> I'm sure that we could have a much better contents
> that kids could really explore.
> - Will DrGeo be buried in the Etoy projects ?
> Because this would be better to put it as a separate entry. DrGeo can
> definitively be a first class application on such a machine.
> Questions for BotsInc.
> -------------------------
> - I removed all references to the file system but when I play with
> the simple drawing tool I could save drawing to files.
> So is it possible or not to save files?
> - I wanted to load my botsInc project so I put it naively on a USB
> stick but how can I access it. I could not from a load from the load
> your
> project list
> - Using the fileList I tried to use usbdev1.2_ep02 and some others
> but I failed?
> Is there a way?
> I feel that there is a huge potential to see the ideas of alan
> becoming true at different level (etoys, Smalltalk skin onion model)
> and I have the impression that the Smalltalk part could be made
> easier to access.
> Stef

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