[Etoys] First use of OLPC feedback (bugs, suggestions, questions)

stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse at free.fr
Sun Nov 11 14:15:39 EST 2007

Ok sorry to be not clear.

> Do you have a B4 now?

I do not know. :)

> If so, great! But it probably came with build
> 406 which is totally outdated. You should update to the current
> stable build and firmware (623, q2d03) before reporting bugs. And
> even that is not the latest version, but has Etoys of two months ago.
> You can use this URL to see currently open Etoys tickets:
> https://dev.laptop.org/query?
> status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&group=milestone&component=e 
> to
> ys-
> activity&order=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=pri 
> or
> ity
> Also note that many things that work in 623 will not work in the next
> stable build, because the security framework is now enabled.


> All file access (even on a USB stick) is via the Journal - but this
> wasn't implemented in 406 yet.

Ok I will try to understand.

> We agree very much that "the Smalltalk part could be made easier to
> access", this is what my several calls to the Squeak community were
> about, without much response so far.

I never see them.

> The core team is busy enough
> with making Etoys work, we can't spend too much time on making the
> Smalltalk experience better, yet.

I imagine. This was more a meta remark for your community in general  
(you know class comments
and all the rest.)

> We try nevertheless - in the latest
> version we support the view-source key, for example.
? what is it?


> - Bert -
> On Nov 10, 2007, at 22:48 , stephane ducasse wrote:
>> Hi all
>> He took me at least 10 min to be able to open it (I'm really terrible
>> with user interfaces) but the result is quite cool.
>> please find a list of bugs/questions/suggestions after playing with
>> my laptop (which is quite cool).
>> OLPC Bug:
>> ------------
>> - I clicked on the mess network then on the small triangle with
>> represent my wifi  and I got a window to type the login.
>> I typed the login in, but I could never get the Ok button letting me
>> to press it. :(
>> Etoy Bugs:
>> ------
>> - etoy projects may get in your way: they can stay over the first
>> etoy window and you do not know how to get rid of them.
>> of course there is the halos but it feels strange.
>> - when I do load, click on OLPC, get a dialog window, click cancel, I
>> get a primitive fail with a debugger.
>> Suggestion:
>> ------------
>> - Is there any plans to have access to the squeak games: SameCell,
>> tetris and chess.
>> Because a chess program would be cool on this machine.
>> I could open the sameGame because I could get access to the menu:
>> - the size of the square are a bit too small.
>> - This is a pity that the Squeak classes have so few comments because
>> I'm sure a kid could get alone
>> the SameGame new openInWorld but if it would be explained. I think
>> that there is a huge opportunity that such
>> a "details" can break.
>> - I was wondering why stuff like skipLists are still in this image.
>> I'm sure that we could have a much better contents
>> that kids could really explore.
>> - Will DrGeo be buried in the Etoy projects ?
>> Because this would be better to put it as a separate entry. DrGeo can
>> definitively be a first class application on such a machine.
>> Questions for BotsInc.
>> -------------------------
>> - I removed all references to the file system but when I play with
>> the simple drawing tool I could save drawing to files.
>> So is it possible or not to save files?
>> - I wanted to load my botsInc project so I put it naively on a USB
>> stick but how can I access it. I could not from a load from the load
>> your
>> project list
>> - Using the fileList I tried to use usbdev1.2_ep02 and some others
>> but I failed?
>> Is there a way?
>> I feel that there is a huge potential to see the ideas of alan
>> becoming true at different level (etoys, Smalltalk skin onion model)
>> and I have the impression that the Smalltalk part could be made
>> easier to access.
>> Stef
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