[Etoys] A few notes on eToys interface - playing with latest eToys in olpc

Bert Freudenberg bert at freudenbergs.de
Wed Apr 11 06:41:02 EDT 2007

I like the Smallland bar. We should try to mimic the OLPC interface  
though, like Yoshiki's bar does.

- Bert -

On Apr 11, 2007, at 10:14 , Diego Gomez Deck wrote:

> Hi Andreas,
>> Hi Diego -
>> As nice as it sounds I don't think switching to 3.9 is a real  
>> option at
>> this point. There is quite a bit of heritage to the OLPC line of  
>> images
>> that would need to be recreated in 3.9 and it would be quite a  
>> gamble to
>> switch the basis for OLPC at this point (remember: summer is  
>> supposed to
>> be the drop-dead date for the first several million OLPC units).
> Sure. In fact I'm not proposing switch to 3.9. I propose to "backport"
> the Small-Land changes to OLPC image.
>> One thing that would be helpful though is if you could point out  
>> where
>> the relevant portions of this work in 3.9 are - porting it to OLPC
>> sounds a lot more viable than porting OLPC to 3.9 ;-)
> Do you remember the BigBang* changesets? I think I remember you used
> them as an counter example for the declarative monticello model.
> In any case, I can do the port for myself in case you like it.
>> Cheers,
>>    - Andreas
> Cheers,
> -- Diego
>> Diego Gomez Deck wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>> Almost all of the features you're talking about are already  
>>> implemented
>>> (and working for years) in the Small-Land image.
>>> In beginner mode, the dockbars can't be removed nor moved nor sized.
>>> But in non-beginner mode, the standard halos are available to  
>>> handle the
>>> dock-bars.
>>> More to say: This Small-Land changes are already included in 3.9.  I
>>> propose to use/expand THIS work instead of create another
>>> implementation.
>>> Cheers,
>>> -- Diego
>>>>   Bert,
>>>>   Thank you for the feedback!
>>>>> Why did you make that flap unremovable? I can't even get a halo on
>>>>> it. It should be visible by default, I agree, but shouldn't  
>>>>> there be
>>>>> a way to hide it, too?
>>>>   I was thinking about the classroom setting, where the teacher
>>>> wouldn't want to deal with dissappearing menu bars.  (For that  
>>>> matter,
>>>> The earlier Japanese version of Etoys suppress the halo for  
>>>> Navigator
>>>> flap.  It has certain advantages, as many number of kids dismiss  
>>>> the
>>>> navigator when they learned how to delete a morph via "X" icon.)
>>>>   From the flap menu, it should be able to hide and show the "Sugar
>>>> Navigator Flap."  (But clearly my logic of it is flawed and it  
>>>> didn't
>>>> work quite as expected.)  I'm not sure if allowing the  
>>>> manipulation on
>>>> it via halo is a good idea.  (For some demo purpose, it would be
>>>> absolute fun to be able to script that bar, though...)
>>>> -- Yoshiki
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