[Etoys] A few notes on eToys interface - playing with latest eToys in olpc

[Diego Gomez Deck]

Hi Andreas,

> Hi Diego -
> 
> As nice as it sounds I don't think switching to 3.9 is a real option at 
> this point. There is quite a bit of heritage to the OLPC line of images 
> that would need to be recreated in 3.9 and it would be quite a gamble to 
> switch the basis for OLPC at this point (remember: summer is supposed to 
> be the drop-dead date for the first several million OLPC units).

Sure. In fact I'm not proposing switch to 3.9. I propose to "backport"
the Small-Land changes to OLPC image.

> One thing that would be helpful though is if you could point out where 
> the relevant portions of this work in 3.9 are - porting it to OLPC 
> sounds a lot more viable than porting OLPC to 3.9 ;-)

Do you remember the BigBang* changesets? I think I remember you used
them as an counter example for the declarative monticello model.

In any case, I can do the port for myself in case you like it.

> Cheers,
>    - Andreas

Cheers,

-- Diego

> 
> Diego Gomez Deck wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > Almost all of the features you're talking about are already implemented
> > (and working for years) in the Small-Land image.
> > 
> > In beginner mode, the dockbars can't be removed nor moved nor sized.
> > But in non-beginner mode, the standard halos are available to handle the
> > dock-bars.
> > 
> > More to say: This Small-Land changes are already included in 3.9.  I
> > propose to use/expand THIS work instead of create another
> > implementation.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > -- Diego
> > 
> >>   Bert,
> >>
> >>   Thank you for the feedback!
> >>
> >>> Why did you make that flap unremovable? I can't even get a halo on  
> >>> it. It should be visible by default, I agree, but shouldn't there be  
> >>> a way to hide it, too?
> >>   I was thinking about the classroom setting, where the teacher
> >> wouldn't want to deal with dissappearing menu bars.  (For that matter,
> >> The earlier Japanese version of Etoys suppress the halo for Navigator
> >> flap.  It has certain advantages, as many number of kids dismiss the
> >> navigator when they learned how to delete a morph via "X" icon.)
> >>
> >>   From the flap menu, it should be able to hide and show the "Sugar
> >> Navigator Flap."  (But clearly my logic of it is flawed and it didn't
> >> work quite as expected.)  I'm not sure if allowing the manipulation on
> >> it via halo is a good idea.  (For some demo purpose, it would be
> >> absolute fun to be able to script that bar, though...)
> >>
> >> -- Yoshiki