gathering use cases

[Tony Anderson]

Hi,

If you are re-implementing XS-0.7, one beneficial project would be to 
rebase it on Fedora so that it will run on Arm systems. This is 
currently a limitation of CentOS.

The design of XS separates the LAN and WAN networks. The XOs connect to 
schoolserver via the LAN network. The school server has a domain name 
relative to the WAN network appropriate to that network. This is set up 
by the netsetup.sh script. XS-0.7 provides normal firewall protection to 
the XOs. OLE Nepal has added Dan's Guardian to provide specific 
protection against access to objectionable sites.

Tony






On 11/08/2012 05:25 PM, Jerry Vonau wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 17:10 -0500, Tony Anderson wrote:
>> On 11/08/2012 05:01 PM, Jerry Vonau wrote:
>>> Hi Tony and all,
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 13:32 -0500, Tony Anderson wrote:
>>>> Hi, Sridhar
>>>>
>>>> One of the important potential benefits from gathering use cases is to
>>>> clarify the roles of the Community XS project and XS-0.7.
>>>>
>>> Why is that an issue at at all? The "Community XS" (think XS-0.8 here)
>>> is going to address the current shortcomings of XS-0.7.
>> This is my greatest concern. The ability of a server to deliver content
>> is central. It is my understanding that your Community XS does not
>> support a LAMP stack or Moodle. Please do not refer to the Community XS
>> as XO-0.8 until there is a chance that it can deliver the essential
>> capabilities of XS-0.7. My other concern is that a lot of very talented
>> people are spending a lot of time solving a non-problem.
>>
> That's very interesting LAMP is installed and George tells me Moodle is
> now working. We just didn't quite have the time prior to SF to debug the
> issue and I confident that the work done will become 0.8.
>
>> Naturally, the network problem you mention is solved by connecting the
>> XS-0.7 to that network as the WAN.
>>
> How do you deal with the name resolution of 'schoolserver' without
> having the ability to alter the network dns server's entries or have the
> server called something other than 'schoolserver' to avoid a clash with
> an pre-existing server on the target network?
>
> Jerry
>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Tony
>>>>    From my perspective, if you can afford to deploy a server with 2GB or
>>>> more main memory and 500GB or more hard drive capacity, XS-0.7 serves
>>>> well and easily supports adding or customizing services. The
>>>> configuration shown in SF costs less than $350 and draws 18w (based on
>>>> measurements taken by George Hunt). With a large hard drive, it is
>>>> perfectly to keep Moodle even if it is not used.
>>>>
>>>> In my experience, the school server is installed in the school ready
>>>> with XS-07 installed along with the available content. Barring hardware
>>>> failure, the only interaction at the school is to turn the server on at
>>>> the start of day and turn it off at the end. With modern computers, both
>>>> functions require only a push on the power button.
>>>>
>>> I'm not thinking about an XO here at all but on a server that you
>>> spec'd. Tell me how do you deploy the 0.7 version on a network where you
>>> don't have control over the DNS and have everything work? I have an idea
>>> on how to pull that off with avahi, I would like to hear about how you
>>> would implement that situation.
>>>
>>>> Community XS serves a valuable role where only XOs are available or
>>>> where power constraints are critical. It may also have a role in
>>>> supporting special network requirements.
>>>>
>>> Not to mention better hardware support for the latest hardware available
>>> and ARM support by using Fedora. You can get on board with the future
>>> and have a say in your pet interests but please don't get in the way of
>>> progress.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>> The other XS-CE developer
>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/08/2012 10:55 AM, devel-request at lists.laptop.org wrote:
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:57:12 +1100
>>>>> From: Sridhar Dhanapalan<sridhar at laptop.org.au>
>>>>> To: Holt<holt at laptop.org>
>>>>> Cc: Devel's in the Details<devel at lists.laptop.org>,	Maryam Rehan El
>>>>> 	Baz<melbaz at mail.sfsu.edu>,	iaep<iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>, XS Devel
>>>>> 	<server-devel at lists.laptop.org>,	Support Gangsters
>>>>> 	<support-gang at laptop.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: gathering use cases
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> 	<CABPDnXn8Xz9BwRD_zy_PUr43CG=_rKXv8u6=zLjD0f+Juk=XEQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3 November 2012 07:46, Holt<holt at laptop.org>  wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks much Sameer.  Am includingsupport-gang at laptop.org  to make sure we
>>>>>>> gather microdeployment and support volunteer feedback too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While our XS Community Edition experiment ain't quite ready for
>>>>>>> showtime/download yet, its white paper & code repository are here:
>>>>>>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Holt/XS_Community_Edition
>>>>> The white paper that Adam is referring to can be found at
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/a/dhanapalan.com/document/pub?id=1dnhU2F6EntepVXTgN8QpkME8fZVUuPjcCoMUfAVKbcc
>>>>>
>>>>> I am the primary author, but it was written by canvassing feedback and
>>>>> opinions from schools and XS community members (including Jerry Vonau,
>>>>> George Hunt, Adam Holt and many others). The paper discusses several
>>>>> use cases and design goals, and outlines the underlying principles
>>>>> behind how we do things in OLPC Australia.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is some miscommunication being spread around that I'd like to
>>>>> clear up. Firstly, this is not a 'secret' project. The white paper
>>>>> explains our mission, and the code repo and issues trackers are open.
>>>>> Secondly, the intent is to create a flexible framework that can be
>>>>> adapted to suit local needs. This is*not*, as some keep asserting, a
>>>>> project to have the XS work only on the XO. The community XS will work
>>>>> on any x86 or ARM based hardware that works with Fedora. The white
>>>>> paper explains this in depth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sridhar
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