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>
> to do this you would have to declare one specific variation of these 
> tools as the 'One True Way' and eliminate all the others.
>
> the advantage of a loosly coupled IDE is that one component can be 
> replaced by something else without having to change/loose all the 
> other things.
and
>> the advantage of a loosly coupled IDE is that one component can be replaced
>> by something else without having to change/loose all the other things.
>>     
>
> Bingo! As soon as git was working, I switched fulltime to it (and
> dragged my team with me ;-) ). When valgrind is of use, I use it. When
> one of the weirdo PHP debuggers is needed, I use it.
>   

You are wrong. The advantage of LIDE is that you do not have to create 
those TIDE components (like the one for git what you used for the 
example). You know writing all those integrated components takes a lot 
of time and requires GUI designer skills so usually no Open Source 
Software makes this last step (as the git people did not do it). So your 
mutual back patting fails because of the following (but it is not that 
interesting, just here for completeness):
1. Usually IDEs are modularized so there is no 'One True Way' just 
swappable components.
2. Even if you has to replace something (for example drop CVS for GIT) 
then you can just continue to use your IDE and only use the command line 
just for GIT.
3. The simple fact that you have to develop from the command line just 
shows how *pathetic* *the* *tooling* is in the OSS world, not that how 
powerful your LIDE is.

Now, as I said the above was not that interesting. What is interesting 
to me is this:
1. I have started the subthread by proposing that *maybe* it would be a 
good thing to use an operating system which has good tooling.
2. Somehow you managed to turn this thread into a quest against IDEs in 
general.
3. You use the fact that the tooling is just pathetic in the OSS world 
to show that it would be a bad thing to use an operating system which 
has good tooling.

Got it.




Wait!
Can it be that I missed something about this 3. item? Or this IDE thing 
is maybe the biggest Red Herring in this thread?




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