"Yay!, Bee, See" (ABC) software

Tue Nov 25 02:08:35 EST 2008

Hi, I just uploaded (after several botched attempts) a new version
which adds a LICENSE file with attribution and licensing information
for each image. Does this look sufficient?

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Yay-Bee-See-5.xol

I'm not sure what I was doing wrong before, but it seems to work with
the new version.

As for the Wiki problem, the XO-1 can't access the following Wiki page
(it gets a message about the page being empty:)

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Yay-bee-see

However the following URL works fine:

http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Yay-bee-see

This happened both in Browse and in Firefox on the XO-1. Lynx and
ELinks on the OLPC had no problem displaying either page, and neither
did Firefox on a Mac.

Thanks,
-Ben

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, that's a fine baseline.   As you point out, I had a hard time
> with the license field; enter what you like but please do include a
> full LICENSE file in the bundle that provides specific licenses (and
> attribution where required), image by image.
>
> If you download an xol file onto your xo from a webserver that has
> mimetypes set properly (such as w.l.o) it should automatically install
> itself into your Library/ directory.
>
> I don't know about that page not rendering properly on an XO; what
> version of Browse are you running?
>
> SJ
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Ben Wiley Sittler <bsittler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks!
>>
>> A few questions, though:
>>
>> 1. Is there any reason I shouldn't start with your version 2 .xol as
>> my baseline? I'd like to update it to use the new lower-resolution,
>> lower-quality images (which still look just fine on the XO-1 even in
>> greyscale high-resolution mode zoomed out to the 1px = 1px scale.)
>>
>> 2. Is there some way to install the .xol more user-friendly than just
>> unzipping it into the ~/Library directory?
>>
>> 3. I notice that in the description on the wiki for the bundle you
>> wrote "fdl text, pd, cc-by and cc-sa images". Some of the images are
>> cc-by-sa and fdl, too. Also, the HTML text is actually pd (or at least
>> it was in the version I released — of course you are welcome to
>> license copyrighted derivative versions however you like.)
>>
>> 4. And finally, is there some reason the OLPC wiki does not work right
>> when viewed from an XO-1? I had to go through URL-hacking contortions
>> to open that page in Browse (it just said the page was empty
>> otherwise.)
>>
>> Thanks, (and please pardon my ignorance!)
>> -Ben
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  Ben --
>>>
>>> When you're zipping up the directory, if you add a metadata file in
>>> this subpath:
>>>  library/library.info
>>>
>>> and give the resulting zip file the extension .xol, you'll have an XO
>>> library bundle.
>>>
>>> Here is a sample info file, with all required fields :
>>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Yay-bee-see-library.info
>>> Note that the 'name' field in the info file should match the name of
>>> the root directory.
>>>
>>> Our standard is to increment the version # in the metadata every time
>>> you make a change; that allows tools like Sugar's software updater
>>> know when there are newer versions of packages available to install.
>>>
>>> SJ
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Ben Wiley Sittler <bsittler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> yeah, i added a 1200x900 version with more agressive JPEG compression
>>>> which looks good both in color mode and in monochrome mode and is only
>>>> 4 MiB or so:
>>>>
>>>> http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see-olpc.zip
>>>>
>>>> hosted version:
>>>>
>>>> http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see-olpc/index.html
>>>>
>>>> does that seem any faster?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Gary C Martin <gary at garycmartin.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 24 Nov 2008, at 17:21, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have just joined this list and read through the archives, but could
>>>>>> not find anything similar. I also didn't find mention of anything
>>>>>> similar on the OLPC Wiki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recently wrote some software for use by my daughter on her OLPC. It
>>>>>> runs inside the Browse activity, either locally using a "file:" URI or
>>>>>> over the network. I don't know whether it will be of interest to
>>>>>> anyone else, but I have released the software to the public domain and
>>>>>> packaged it along with scaled-down (1600x1200 or less) copies of some
>>>>>> public-domain images and some copyrighted-but-free-to-redistribute
>>>>>> images under GFDL, and various Creative Commons Attribution-Share
>>>>>> Alike, Attribution, and Share Alike licenses. Individual attribution
>>>>>> for each image is included in the application source code.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems a great addition for the younger age range :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I did notice that even on a high specced laptop (1.5Ghz, 2Gb ram, broadband
>>>>> connection) the background image was very slow to display (until it had been
>>>>> cached locally).
>>>>>
>>>>> One suggestion, 1600x1200 seems a bit large (even as a max size). For the
>>>>> XO, 800x600 (max!) would seem to be a fair max image size to save nand space
>>>>> and keep image quality. The XO screen is capable of 1200x900 in black/white,
>>>>> and 800x600 seems a reasonable number for it's colour resolution abilities:
>>>>>
>>>>>        http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Display
>>>>>
>>>>> --Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>> overview:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wrote some software using DHTML (JavaScript, HTML and CSS.) It's to
>>>>>> help learn letters and numbers, and is intended to be used with adult
>>>>>> supervision and involvement. It is fairly easy to customize it to use
>>>>>> different images and support different alphabets simply by editing the
>>>>>> contents of the <style> element in the HTML file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The software is very, very, very simple — it just echoes typed letters
>>>>>> and numbers in a large, colorful font and shows a somewhat-relevant
>>>>>> background image for each one. The images are various freely-usable
>>>>>> ones I found on Wikipedia or in the Wikimedia Commons. View source
>>>>>> code for full copyright information for the associated images.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> online version of the "Yay!, Bee, See" application:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> an archive of the application (ZIP, ~15 MiB) including all images:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://xent.com/~bsittler/yay-bee-see.zip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> blog post about it:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://bsittler.livejournal.com/15244.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> background:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My daughter (who turns two this week) has been enjoying her OLPC from
>>>>>> last year's G1G1 program much more than I expected she would
>>>>>> (originally I intended to wait until she was older and literate to
>>>>>> introduce her to the OLPC, but she seemed to treat it as a favorite
>>>>>> toy starting around the age of 18 months.) She likes the Record
>>>>>> activity (she calls it "Waving hand" and uses it like a mirror-image
>>>>>> mirror,) Skype (not bundled, but she uses it to talk to and see
>>>>>> far-away family,) and listening to music (theclassicalstation.org).
>>>>>> She also likes pressing buttons, rotating the "ears" and screen, and
>>>>>> opening and closing the laptop. However, she seems somewhat frustrated
>>>>>> by not being able to do things on it for herself (or as she puts it,
>>>>>> "do it self!",) so I thought I might write a small program where her
>>>>>> keypresses give some feedback, and help reinforce her interest in the
>>>>>> digits and letters of the alphabet (she loves being read to and
>>>>>> recognizes many letters and digits, but does not seem to understand
>>>>>> reading yet.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Ben
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