Cmap tools (with image customization cross over)

[Bert Freudenberg]

On 23.12.2008, at 22:17, Greg Smith wrote:

> Hi Bert,
>
> That strategy sounds good to me if its easy. You still need a custom  
> "image" because the end result should be something which can be  
> quickly installed on 10K or more XOs via:
> - USB
> - olpc-update over WAN or from XS
> - NAND Blaster
>
> That said, making it an activity would make it easy to use the  
> existing customization key.
>
> How hard is it to do what you suggest?

Should be pretty simple.

> Would you be interested in making a "Cmap running inside X window  
> activity" .xo bundle?

Interested, certainly. However, my spare time is limited, so I don't  
know when this would bubble to the top of my todo list.

- Bert -

> I think that would simplify the discussion with them and clarify how  
> it might work.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg S
>
> Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>> The better approach would be to install everything into the bundle  
>> directory itself. Then simply zip it and you should have a working  
>> xo bundle. A custom build should not be necessary for this.
>> - Bert -
>> On 23.12.2008, at 21:35, Greg Smith wrote:
>>> Hi Bert,
>>>
>>> Thanks. It was actually right click for me but that did it.
>>>
>>> I installed the Cmap tools from within the X activity and it  
>>> mostly worked.
>>>
>>> A few oddities in the X activity like the arrow keys not working  
>>> but nothing fatal.
>>>
>>> I'll follow up with the Cmap people and see if they can move it  
>>> ahead some more.
>>>
>>> Dan,
>>>
>>> Here's a good use case for the "image customization" feature. To  
>>> install Cmap, I open the X activity, downloaded a zip, then  
>>> unpacked it which created a bin file. I made that executable and  
>>> ran it which launched an installer which installed Java and some  
>>> other stuff into a directory I chose (data). I also assume they  
>>> would want to tweak the X activity initrc file to make it launch  
>>> Cmap automatically. The whole thing is within a Rainbow instance  
>>> but I believe its re-usable if its in the data directory.
>>>
>>> Would your customization stick strategy allow me to make this  
>>> whole thing part of an image installable on many XOs as described?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Greg S
>>>
>>> Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>>> Click to bring up a menu and open a terminal.
>>>> Alternatively, edit the ".xinitrc" file to auto-launch any X  
>>>> applications you want started ("xterm &" is a common choice)  
>>>> before executing the window manager. This is also how you would  
>>>> bundle and launch a regular X app like cmap.
>>>> - Bert -
>>>> On 23.12.2008, at 16:34, Greg Smith wrote:
>>>>> Hi Michael and Bert,
>>>>>
>>>>> It got quiet enough that I had a chance to try this myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried installing and running the X activity and I tried  
>>>>> following the instructions here: http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/12/run_a_nested_x11_desktop_on_th.html
>>>>>
>>>>> In both cases I got a gray screen with a "bar" showing  
>>>>> "Workspace" with two triangles next to it (left and right  
>>>>> facing) on the left side of the bar and the time with the same  
>>>>> triangles on the right side.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't see my pointer in the Hackfest version but I did in the  
>>>>> X window version. In both cases I didn't see any place to enter  
>>>>> text (e.g. a window). Am I missing something?
>>>>>
>>>>> I was hoping to get an X window with a prompt so I could install  
>>>>> CMap tools from there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg S
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg Smith wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> Picking up this old thread (http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-September/018835.html 
>>>>>> )
>>>>>> I want to move this forward again.
>>>>>> There is a beta version of a smaller Linux implementation of  
>>>>>> CMap tools now. Download it from here:
>>>>>> http://cmap.ihmc.us/download/cmaplite.php
>>>>>> Does anyone have time to try running this inside of the X  
>>>>>> windows activity mentioned below?
>>>>>> While we have some traction on other concept map tools (thanks  
>>>>>> Tomeu for Labrynth), CMap is "incumbent" in a number of  
>>>>>> countries and I want to figure out how close we are to  
>>>>>> supporting it. It will affect our ability to get XOs and Sugar  
>>>>>> in to more schools systems so its certainly valuable work.
>>>>>> Let me know if anyone has a chance to try this out and document  
>>>>>> what it will take to make it work.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Greg S
>>>>>> *************
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at  
>>>>>> freudenbergs.de> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Am 04.09.2008 um 01:06 schrieb Michael Stone:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 05:33:28PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote:
>>>>>> >>> Has anyone tried making the activity which is X-windows and  
>>>>>> inside
>>>>>> >>> which
>>>>>> >>> other activities can run?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> [1] and [2] seem apropos.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Michael
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> [1]: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7768#comment:8
>>>>>> >> [2]: http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/12/run_a_nested_x11_desktop_on_th.html 
>>>>>>   >
>>>>>> > I couldn't resist making an activity for that:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >        http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/X
>>>>>> Anybody has any idea about how to make xephyr use the clipboard  
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> external X server? DND may be even harder.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Tomeu