Cmap tools (with image customization cross over)

[Greg Smith]

Hi Bert,

That strategy sounds good to me if its easy. You still need a custom 
"image" because the end result should be something which can be quickly 
installed on 10K or more XOs via:
- USB
- olpc-update over WAN or from XS
- NAND Blaster

That said, making it an activity would make it easy to use the existing 
customization key.

How hard is it to do what you suggest? Would you be interested in making 
a "Cmap running inside X window activity" .xo bundle?

I think that would simplify the discussion with them and clarify how it 
might work.

Thanks,

Greg S

Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> The better approach would be to install everything into the bundle 
> directory itself. Then simply zip it and you should have a working xo 
> bundle. A custom build should not be necessary for this.
> 
> - Bert -
> 
> On 23.12.2008, at 21:35, Greg Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bert,
>>
>> Thanks. It was actually right click for me but that did it.
>>
>> I installed the Cmap tools from within the X activity and it mostly 
>> worked.
>>
>> A few oddities in the X activity like the arrow keys not working but 
>> nothing fatal.
>>
>> I'll follow up with the Cmap people and see if they can move it ahead 
>> some more.
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Here's a good use case for the "image customization" feature. To 
>> install Cmap, I open the X activity, downloaded a zip, then unpacked 
>> it which created a bin file. I made that executable and ran it which 
>> launched an installer which installed Java and some other stuff into a 
>> directory I chose (data). I also assume they would want to tweak the X 
>> activity initrc file to make it launch Cmap automatically. The whole 
>> thing is within a Rainbow instance but I believe its re-usable if its 
>> in the data directory.
>>
>> Would your customization stick strategy allow me to make this whole 
>> thing part of an image installable on many XOs as described?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Greg S
>>
>> Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>> Click to bring up a menu and open a terminal.
>>> Alternatively, edit the ".xinitrc" file to auto-launch any X 
>>> applications you want started ("xterm &" is a common choice) before 
>>> executing the window manager. This is also how you would bundle and 
>>> launch a regular X app like cmap.
>>> - Bert -
>>> On 23.12.2008, at 16:34, Greg Smith wrote:
>>>> Hi Michael and Bert,
>>>>
>>>> It got quiet enough that I had a chance to try this myself.
>>>>
>>>> I tried installing and running the X activity and I tried following 
>>>> the instructions here: 
>>>> http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/12/run_a_nested_x11_desktop_on_th.html 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In both cases I got a gray screen with a "bar" showing "Workspace" 
>>>> with two triangles next to it (left and right facing) on the left 
>>>> side of the bar and the time with the same triangles on the right side.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't see my pointer in the Hackfest version but I did in the X 
>>>> window version. In both cases I didn't see any place to enter text 
>>>> (e.g. a window). Am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping to get an X window with a prompt so I could install 
>>>> CMap tools from there.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Greg S
>>>>
>>>> Greg Smith wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> Picking up this old thread 
>>>>> (http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-September/018835.html)
>>>>> I want to move this forward again.
>>>>> There is a beta version of a smaller Linux implementation of CMap 
>>>>> tools now. Download it from here:
>>>>> http://cmap.ihmc.us/download/cmaplite.php
>>>>> Does anyone have time to try running this inside of the X windows 
>>>>> activity mentioned below?
>>>>> While we have some traction on other concept map tools (thanks 
>>>>> Tomeu for Labrynth), CMap is "incumbent" in a number of countries 
>>>>> and I want to figure out how close we are to supporting it. It will 
>>>>> affect our ability to get XOs and Sugar in to more schools systems 
>>>>> so its certainly valuable work.
>>>>> Let me know if anyone has a chance to try this out and document 
>>>>> what it will take to make it work.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Greg S
>>>>> *************
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at 
>>>>> freudenbergs.de> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Am 04.09.2008 um 01:06 schrieb Michael Stone:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 05:33:28PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote:
>>>>> >>> Has anyone tried making the activity which is X-windows and inside
>>>>> >>> which
>>>>> >>> other activities can run?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> [1] and [2] seem apropos.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Michael
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> [1]: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7768#comment:8
>>>>> >> [2]: 
>>>>> http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/12/run_a_nested_x11_desktop_on_th.html  
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I couldn't resist making an activity for that:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >        http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/X
>>>>> Anybody has any idea about how to make xephyr use the clipboard of the
>>>>> external X server? DND may be even harder.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Tomeu
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