[Server-devel] [XSCE] xsce on centos/rpi3

James Cameron quozl at laptop.org
Tue Dec 13 13:38:22 EST 2016

Yes, the Rpi3, clones, and similar devices are encouraging.

We have everything needed for Sugar 0.110 on the Rpi3 within Raspbian
as a desktop option or as applications within the desktop.

I've done tests in my lab as part of testing Sugar for the OLPC
laptops.  My collection of Rpi3 have helped with my recent work on
OLPC OS 16.04.2 on Ubuntu 16.04 and OLPC OS 13.2.8 on Fedora 18.

But my focus is still on OLPC laptops, and so I'm not really in a
position to fully support Rpi3 yet.  The OLPC laptops have the best
Sugar experience, in my biased opinion.

Developers who wish to be involved on a Sugar on Raspbian push should
be talking on sugar-devel@ and taking the lead from Jonas Smedegaard
and Sebastian Silva.  Their work is packaging and integrating, using
resources such as the Debian git repositories, package tracker, bug
tracker, package archive, and mailing lists.  Tip of the iceberg
occasionally shows on sugar-devel@ or Sugar git repositories;
especially noisy last couple of days.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 04:20:11AM -0500, Adam Holt wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 3:07 AM, Adam Holt <[1]holt at laptop.org> wrote:
>     On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Anish Mangal <[2]anishmg at umich.edu> wrote:
>         Hi,
>         Wondering if anyone has tried installing XSCE on centos on rpi3, and
>         faced issues. Planning to try this out now that I have rpi3's
>     Not yet.  Most of us are using Raspbian (see Nov 30's [3]https://
>     www.raspberrypi.org/blog/a-security-update-for-raspbian-pixel/)
> Just FYI a new development is that a growing number of kickass deployments are
> asking me for the full Raspian ("Pixel" takes up 3GB more disk "Lite" version,
> likewise its zip/download is 1.1GB larger) as it provides an increasingly
> well-rounded learning suite for remote teachers/techs/kids to learn Linux &
> much more:
>    [4]http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/release_notes.txt
> Aside: currently lacking Sugar regrettably, and not quite as well packaged for
> educators as those other Brits @ [5]https://twitter.com/teamkano.  Naturally
> there are other deployments that do not want these 3GB of learning/IT tools, as
> things boot faster without, and traditionalists do not want visual tools (X
> Windows).
> In essence it took half a decade, but the $35 computer is now unleashing a lot
> of field innovation across these 2 categories primarily:
> 1) "one RPi3 per child" deployments who require modern visual tools on each
> RPi3 (and can afford a cheap LCD per child/seat)
> 2) "one RPi3 server per classroom" deployments (who may or may not be able to
> afford an LCD or projector for the teacher)
> Of course there are many of both types of learning communities above and
> others, who do not always see eye to eye (imagine that, another culture war,
> what a surprise ;)  So our Mission is to encourage maximum cross-fertilization
> across these most practical scenarios--wherever we can, despite
> not-invented-here bubbles of innovation--embracing creative cross-collaboration
> / proven best practices as a larger force than infantile infighting, across an
> entire planet of fantastically passionate grassroots implementers~
> In many cases Sugarizer-on-XSCE/IIAB can provide a partial answer.  But Tony
> Anderson is correct to remind us Sugarizer does not yet provide nearly as rich
> an experience as full Sugar.  Meantime all educators cry out for platform
> stability that constructionism ironically relies on, so [6]http://
> wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.8 on XO laptops is a big step forward
> with Sugar 0.110, thanks to James Cameron!
>     or FedBerry ([7]http://fedberry.org) as HW/networking support (Bluetooth,
>     WiFi, etc) is far better.
>     In future CentOS may catch up; these 3 people are certainly trying:
>     [8]https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2016-December/162276.html
>         Best,
>         Anish
>     --
>     Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ [9]http://unleashkids.org !
> --
> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ [10]http://unleashkids.org !
> References:
> [1] mailto:holt at laptop.org
> [2] mailto:anishmg at umich.edu
> [3] https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/a-security-update-for-raspbian-pixel/
> [4] http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/release_notes.txt
> [5] https://twitter.com/teamkano
> [6] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.8
> [7] http://fedberry.org/
> [8] https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2016-December/162276.html
> [9] http://unleashkids.org/
> [10] http://unleashkids.org/

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