[Server-devel] Does XSCE need a new Home?

George Hunt georgejhunt at gmail.com
Fri Nov 29 08:13:33 EST 2013

This is a more related to Samuel Greenfeld's comments than the XSCE
documentation/install thread from which I branch.

I think it makes sense to grab off of laptop.org all the essential stuff
and put it some new place. We don't know the future, but in the present the
prospect of ongoing support and maintenance of wiki.laptop.org seems more
shaky to me.

When I was first exploring the process of building something on top of
schoolserver 0.7, I found ancestry of different components (documented at
http://schoolserver.wordpress.com/xs-installation/rpm-heritage/). I think
we should contact the most recent contributors to these ancestral repos,
and with their cooperation/approval, move them to github.com.

How to pay for a server somewhere? Three candidates come to me. Sugarlabs,
activitycentral, and unleash kids.  Of these, activitycentral is the only
for profit organization, I'd vote for the synergy that needs to exist
between a for profit open source shop, and the ecosystem which it needs to
remain legitimately part off a larger  open source community.


On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Samuel Greenfeld <samuel at greenfeld.org>wrote:

> I think you need to be careful how you phrase that -- you just half
> implied that all laptop.org hosting is going away.  There has been a fair
> amount of fear that resources may suddenly disappear, and I have been
> concerned about fragmentation where hosting of resources ends up all over
> the place.
> If there is a perceived need to migrate resources then that should be made
> clear, as others have already offered potential alternative hosting.  But
> there needs to be coordination.
> Focusing on the Deployment side, I would tend to agree with John's
> comments as well.
> Both Sugar and the Schoolserver have been historically focused on being
> their own ecosystem.  This has never changed, yet Sugar and the XS are
> often offered for use where existing DHCP, DNS, and other services already
> exist.
> Due to local policies, you may not be allowed to name your schoolserver
> "schoolserver".  You may have to support 802.11x network authentication,
> etc.  It is possible to kludge these but the solutions are not elegant.
> If the Sugar and XSCE communities feel that the "enterprise"/first-world
> use case is a desired scenario where Sugar, IIAB, and/or Moodle may only be
> a part of a school's network instead of the primary role, then this
> specifically needs to be targeted.
> ---
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:33 AM, James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
>> I agree with John.  Every point in his documentation section should be
>> handled.  Especially the point about wiki.laptop.org, which has so
>> many distracting links on the navigation bar that we are all used to,
>> but which new people become lost in.
>> With regard to forums, the type that Google Groups has where they can
>> also be received in mail may suffice.
>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:44:33AM +0530, Anish Mangal wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I would like to share this blog post from John Ellis with the XSCE
>> community:
>> > John is a high school student who is trying to setup XSCE in his
>> class/school
>> > under the supervision of his teacher Jeff Elkner.
>> >
>> > http://johnmichaelffs.blogspot.in/2013/11/problems-with-xsce.html
>> >
>> > Some of the stuff he points out certainly makes a lot of sense to me, I
>> think
>> > the core underling message is to make XSCE more approachable to the end
>> user
>> > and the advanced end-user/deployer. He has gone to some lengths to
>> point out
>> > specific aspects which could be improved.
>> >
>> > As we think about the possibilities for XSCE-0.6, I would like to
>> further the
>> > discussion along these topics here and/or on IRC. I think the project
>> could do
>> > well listening to end users' needs for the 0.6 cycle, especially that
>> we now
>> > seem to have our house in order codewise thanks to the terrific work by
>> all the
>> > software hackers here :-)
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Anish
>> >
>> >
>> >
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