[Server-devel] [Fwd: Turn Editing On missing and joining multiple courses]

[David Leeming]

Thanks Tabitha,

 

I realise I should be clearer about what I am asking. I understand the
Moodle context-based administration. It is rather the effects of multiple
course membership on the presence service when split by course, which I am
uncertain about. Let's say user A is a member of course 1 and course 3. User
B is a user of course 2 and course 3. Does that mean that user B will be
able to "see" all the members of course 1 as well as user A? I don't see
evidence of that in our deployment but I am just checking in case this could
cause issues with the presence service.

 

We are using low-power (and low-RAM L) servers due to our dependence on
solar power. So we need to make it work most efficiently and as I understand
it, that is best achieved with small user groups segregated using the
presence service.

 

Regarding the other matter; logging on as Administrator is according to "XS
Techniques and Configuration"" a non standard task "at your own risk". I am
trying to use standard recommended procedures, which can be safely
replicated by the local trainees, using the first XO registered - which is a
partial administrator (it can create course creators, but cannot delete
courses). If I create a course creator with that initial XO, they do not
have "turn editing on" appearing which means that they cannot (for instance)
create global links to public folders on the front page - even if they are
Front Page course creators too. 

 

My question in regard to this issue is whether what I am observing is NOT
what I should be seeing, and there is a problem with my system, or whether
your inference is what I should be noting in that you have to actually log
on as the site administrator to create a full replica of the "first XO".

 

David Leeming

 

From: tabitha.mail at gmail.com [mailto:tabitha.mail at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Tabitha Roder
Sent: Wednesday, 28 July 2010 10:02 p.m.
To: David Leeming; server-devel at lists.laptop.org
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Server-devel] Turn Editing On missing and joining
multiple courses]

 

 

From: "David Leeming" <david at leeming-consulting.com>
To: "'XS Devel'" <server-devel at lists.laptop.org>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:52:08 +1000
Subject: [Server-devel] Turn Editing On missing and joining multiple courses

  

In our PNG deployment and elsewhere I am finding with Moodle that when the
initial administrator XO creates additional course creators, the "Turn
Editing On" button does not appear on the new Course Creator XOs, although
you can see all the site admin functions. For example, I have used Admin 1
XO (the first one to register) to make Admin 2 XO a system course creator
and a front page course creator.  But no "Turn Editing On" appears. 

I don't know exactly the role setup for Moodle on XS, but it may be that
they have slightly different roles; do they appear at the same level in
"Users" - "permissions" - "assign system roles"?
I just tested - I am logged in as site "administrator" (I mean Moodle role
"administrator" at system level) on one computer and have just assigned
another XO as "course creator" at system level. The new system course
creator XO does have a turn editing on button.
Tested adding another XO as a front page course creator and this XO does not
get a turn editing on button. I then tested assigning the XO as a front page
teacher and now they do get the turn editing on button. 

Secondly, we have set up courses for each of six classes and are joining the
250 students and their teachers to them as "teachers" and "students". The
teachers have been made "Front Page teachers" but not been given any system
roles (otherwise they appear in all the courses). We want to allow teachers
to collaborate between each other as well, so I am thinking of creating a
"Teachers" course. I have not enough experience with Moodle to know what to
expect - will there be any "cross over" issues (the best way I can describe
it) if teachers A and B are members of the Grade 3A and 4B courses
respectively, and then also both as members of "Teachers".

The PNG teachers can be in a course called teachers and assigned as any role
you want. I think the front page thing might be what is confusing things for
PNG. Moodle is hierarchical - system roles beat course roles which beat
resource/activity object roles. Moodle considers the front page to be a
course, so system role would beat it. 
PNG Teachers are not system level teachers so you can make them students in
a course. Who is the teacher role assigned to for the teacher course? The
principal maybe?  
Continuing this train of thought - it is perfectly okay to make a student a
teacher of a course. e.g. You can have a year 6 student the teacher of the
year 4 maths course if you want. Just don't do it at system level, stick to
course level. 

I would not set system level roles for anyone except the person(s) who will
adminstrate Moodle after you leave. Two people is good in case one person
leaves. 

Tabitha

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