[Server-devel] Constructionism is more than leaving kids on their own (was [sugar] sugar roadmap (Marten Vijn))

[Marten Vijn]

On Sat, 2008-04-12 at 20:17 +0545, Bryan Berry wrote:
> >No really, kids i have given an XO from 3 Years open the XO faster than
> >adult from 30 years. And even switch it on faster.
> 
> >When we give childeren a ball, they quite capable of exploring the
> >possiblities of it. Even with evenout a handbook. They quite capable or
> >create rules to play and adjust to play better.
> 
> No one is debating that kids can learn very quickly.
> 
> Marten, what you are explaining is an aspect of constructionism, not its
> entirety. Piaget and Vygotsky -- the theorists that Papert based his
> work on -- fundamentally focus on the need to expose children to
> important ideas and then allow them to work w/ them. Kids won't invent
> English grammar or calculus for instance. A teacher or guide must
> introduce these concepts to kids in concrete terms they can relate to
> ("a narrative") and then give kids the opportunity to work w/ them on
> their own terms.  Alan Kay has a great quote that supports this but I
> can't remember it at this moment.
> 
> Currently OLPC suffers from a dearth of learning "narratives" for
> teachers and students alike. Moodle is a good tool for this.
> 
> I get annoyed when people expect kids to figure everything out on their
> own with out any help or guidance. I grew w/ learning disabilities was
> able to thrive w/ the guidance of caring teachers and guides.

you are quoting me out of context. My responce was to a situation were
it looked that a teacher is nessecity to learn:


On Sat, 2008-04-12 at 14:42 +0200, David Van Assche wrote:
> Hi,
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> Coming from a teaching perspective, children students need to be led,
> they need to be shown what to do.
<snip>

And yes,
My responce was not showing there what is more. 
Thanks for your reply,

Marten






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