[OLPC-Peru] [OLPC library] A proposal to give some DICTIONARY pre-installed on the XOs that will be delivered to Peruvian Kids

[kalyan97]

I agree with your thoughts, Javier. There are many elders who are also
'kids' :)-- The Indian lexicon is for '25 Indian languages'. Best wishes, k

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:29 AM, info en olpc-peru.info <info en olpc-peru.info>
wrote:

> Hello Dr. Kalyanaram
>
> >I had earlier given a free licence to use, and submitted my Indian
> Lexicon (for 25 languages) for inclusion in OLPC.
>
> When you say "Indian lexicon"... it means a "25 international languages
> lexicon build in India" or "25 Indian languages" ??? (In Peru we have
> Quechua (around 4 to 6 varieties), Aymara (I don't know if it is a unique
> version, and the "Instituto de Verano" (NGO) described more than 40 other
> languages in the peruvian jungle).
>
> >A general consensus may have to be arrived at on the availability of
> basic lexical/language resources at various levels, from primary to
> secondary school levels.
>
> Our goverment (peruvian goverment) says that this project is for primary
> schools (6 to 12 years old aproximately).   I don't think that we must ask
> the children to return his/her dear XO once he get 12 years old... we, old
> grown adults, use many kinds of devices that are small: cellullars &
> palmtops are very common and we check mail, and send short messages... if we
> "open the window"... why we need to close it when the kid reachs 12 years
> old? (that "window" reference is without any 2nd implication! (smile) ).
>
> >Every prospective OLPC user is a child and will not be restricted to
> children alone, particularly in, for example, the rural areas of India with
> one billion population with a large percentage of illiteracy.
>
> uhmmm... that was I thought when I realize there will be 250,000 XOs in
> Peru in the next year (40,000 are here in this moment).  All of these
> machines can CHANGE the whole world because they are the TOOLS to
> communicate with the world.  One of the big problems that will arise in 2 or
> 3 years is when these machines will be used to develop VOIP (very low
> bandwith needed).  Communication tools they are! then they will be used as
> COMMUNICATION tools without any restriction.
>
> Learning tool: in some areas of Peru more than 70% of the women are not
> able to read, that's what official statistics show.  From my personal
> experience I can say that it is not rare in the isolated towns and villages
> that the women are not able to speak spanish (only the men), and they have
> not personal identification document (no I.D.... they don't exist for the
> occidental society.. but they pay taxes: every soft drink, every beer (thats
> the kind of occidental culture that we carry to those towns) has its
> government tax included (VAT)).
>
> My conclusion: XOs are not for children only.  They will be revolutionary
> tool for this generation.  It should be.
>
> Regards,
>
> Javier Rodriguez
> Lima, Peru
>
>
> kalyan97 wrote:
>
>  Sorry for digressing on the subject of Dictionaries on OLPC and taking
> the issue beyond Peru. I had earlier given a free licence to use,
> and submitted my Indian Lexicon (for 25 languages) for inclusion in OLPC. A
> general consensus may have to be arrived at on the availability of basic
> lexical/language resources at various levels, from primary to secondary
> school levels. Every prospective OLPC user is a child and will not be
> restricted to children alone, particularly in, for example, the rural areas
> of India with one billion population with a large percentage of illiteracy.
> Best regards, Dr. S. kalyanaraman
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Samuel Klein <sj en laptop.org> wrote:
>
> > 2008/3/11 info en olpc-peru.info <info en olpc-peru.info>:
> >
> > >  I agree: some "dynamic" database will be better than a "static"
> > database.
> > > It is not hard to build: just add a form and some "append/sort"
> > routine to
> > > the main database.  Easy to say! (smile)... the "upgrade/add words"
> > option
> > > can not be done in plain javascript  (it goes against the idea that
> > > javascript comes from the server and runs on the client machine in a
> > typical
> > > Internet connection... many security issues raise up!).  So... the
> > > "add/upgrade" option or form needs to feed some "php" or java or
> > phyton
> > > or... any other language that can be installed on the XO (I don't know
> > which
> > > ones are installed in this moment... which languages come installed
> > with the
> > > XO? Phyton and... what else? )
> >
> > Effectively, just Python.
> >
> > >  Sharing new words: how the modifications of one user can be "shared"
> > with
> > > the rest of the "group" or the rest of the "neighborhood" ?  Possible
> > > answers:
> > >  * The school server will collect, organize and share the "additional
> > words
> > > & meanings".
> >
> > To keep a record of all dictionary changes made by each individual,
> > you will need to do something on a machine or site with a fair bit of
> > memory that intends to be up for a long time.
> >
> > XOs will probably want a way to merge a new dictionary with their
> > existing one, from the mesh, a server, or another place; it has no
> > reason to store lots of changes in memory.
> >
> > > So we will have "english word =
> > > spanish word" or "english word = english meaning" ... and many other
> > > combinations: common phrases... localisms... concepts... etc.
> >
> > Also picture dictionaries, working in both directions (word to image,
> > or image to words in various languages).
> >
> > >  Othe names different than "words" ?
> >
> > Do you mean phrases?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > SJ
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