[Sur] [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

Sab Jun 3 10:02:56 EDT 2017

Okay, i heard you.

I think me replying to some statements will create more discussion, so i
wouldn't.

Could it be seconded, as walter suggested so that it could be voted upon?

SG

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Adam Holt <holt en laptop.org> wrote:

> If board members cannot feed themselves in their own country, and
> additionally Sugar Labs is being asked to create my-favorite-hotel in
> my-favorite-neighborhood welfare handouts for its own board members in
> their own countries, we have a far deeper long-term problem on our hands
> here, that will unfortunately but certainly not be resolved before June
> 11/12.
>
> Be It Resolved: we now need to move on.
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2017 9:39 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongoddy en sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Adam Holt <holt en laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.bender en gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Please excuse the top post.
>>
>> I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
>> of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
>> Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
>> and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
>> within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
>> costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
>> motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
>> conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
>> that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800
>> stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will
>> second it so we can vote?
>>
>>
>> Humbly Disagree.
>>
>> The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:
>>
>> (1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.
>>
> I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process.
>
>>
>> (2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.
>>
> $600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate,
> compare to $500.
>
> My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice.
>
>
> But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what
> was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly
> what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)?
>
> Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is
> going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the
> approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the
> rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens.
>
>
> When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190
> naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325
> naira.
>
>
> So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any
> amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i
> didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300
> if the economy turn worst.
>
> So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today.
>
>
> On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
>> avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — *by
>> saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*
>>
>
> But could this be voted on, as walter suggested?
>
>>
>>
>> Respecting All,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>
> BR
>
> Samson
>
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongoddy en gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt" <holt en laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongoddy en gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>>>> visa alone.
>>>>
>>>> Flight and other things connected.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
>>> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
>>> ready yet...)
>>>
>>> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>>>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>>>> claims have insinuated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
>>> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
>>> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>>>
>>>    http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>>>
>>> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
>>> myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
>>>
>>> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
>>> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
>>> like me.
>>>
>>> Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
>>> let me try it.
>>>
>>> It may sound crazy but that how it is.
>>>
>>>
>>> Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
>>> resourceful than most imagine.
>>>
>>> Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
>>>
>>>
>>> As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
>>>> with respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point
>>>> where:
>>>>
>>>> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
>>>> policies).
>>>>
>>>> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it
>>>> will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
>>>> plan. Half is better than none.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish
>>> they had this opportunity!
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what
>>>> happens if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting
>>>> Samson's visa application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this
>>>> up-to-$500 ?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
>>>
>>> Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to
>>> give me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion
>>> is purely for reimbursement.
>>>
>>> You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
>>> prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
>>> with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.
>>>
>>>
>>> Onwards & Upwards ~
>>>
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>>
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