[Sur] [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Adam Holt]

On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.bender en gmail.com> wrote:

Please excuse the top post.

I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most of
you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800 stated
in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will second
it so we can vote?


Humbly Disagree.

The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:

(1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.

(2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.

On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — *by
saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*

Respecting All,

Adam

regards.

-walter

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongoddy en gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt" <holt en laptop.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongoddy en gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>> visa alone.
>>
>> Flight and other things connected.
>>
>>
> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
> ready yet...)
>
> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>> claims have insinuated.
>>
>>
>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>
>>
> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>
>    http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>
> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much myself
> but there are in fact options in every price range.
>
> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
> like me.
>
> Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
> let me try it.
>
> It may sound crazy but that how it is.
>
>
> Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>>
>>
> Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
> resourceful than most imagine.
>
> Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
>
>
> As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
>> with respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point where:
>>
>> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
>> policies).
>>
>> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it
>> will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
>> plan. Half is better than none.
>>
>>
> Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
> had this opportunity!
>
>
>> 2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
>> if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
>> visa application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
>> $500 ?)
>>
>>
> The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
>
> Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to give
> me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion is
> purely for reimbursement.
>
> You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
> prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
> with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.
>
>
> Onwards & Upwards ~
>
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Walter Bender
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