[OLPC-Philippines] DS SMEs/ SFCM project/ OLPC Boston contact
Charles Chen
ideasman88 at yahoo.com.au
Fri Jun 12 20:26:05 EDT 2009
Hi James and Jerome,
I have no problems adopting a best of breed approach in implementing the OLPC program in the Philippines. On this basis, I have no problems adopting any new ideas we can adopt from the guys at Nintendo on using their DS device for educational purposes. But I will hope everybody understand that we need to stick to the original plan of deploying XOs as the device of choice.
Moving forward, for me to know what ideas we can consider from using DS for the same purpose, we need volunteers who will act as the Subject Matter Expert (SME) to this task. I would like to ask whether you and Jerome can be the SMEs for this purpose.
Jerome, once I have the foundation registered let's talk whether we can work together with SFC Meralco to do an OLPC school project.
Marife, I will appreciate if you can help get a contact person we can use to call and/or email for our procurement of XOs. We will need to know the terms and conditions for a purchase, shipping times and the type of XO models available that will be available for our local needs. Right now I am making arrangements to get our purchases through OLPC Australia but if we can do this directly from OLPC Boston that would be better.
Mabuhay Ang Sambayanan Pilipino Sa Pagdiriwang Ng Araw ng Kalayan! (Long Live the Philippine People in its Celebration of its Independence Day!)
Salamat.
Charles
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4. Re: Back-up process requirement (Mel Chua)
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:48:49 +0800
From: "James Shields" <james at marasbaras.com>
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Different approaches, Same goals
To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"
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I think it would be a very good idea to watch what the eductional DS people
do. They are going to have to be very clever to deliver content with those
devices.
We have the luxury of a machine that's more powerful, easier with which to
interact, and more durable.
Take what ideas we can from what they do and apply it to the XO/Sugar
platform. These companies have a lot of smart, well-educated, and
well-funded people working for them. We may as well use them to whatever
advantage we can to help deliver content to the kids.
James Shields
-----Original Message-----
From: olpc-philippines-bounces at lists.laptop.org
[mailto:olpc-philippines-bounces at lists.laptop.org]On Behalf Of Jerome
Gotangco
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 1:12 PM
To: OLPC Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Different approaches, Same goals
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:26 AM, <ideasman88 at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> I don't know what James was thinking when he said he wanted to use the DS
> for his kitchen. I assume its because of its versatility in functionality
> that it can be used for a lot of things from playing games to use by kids
> for their school work to using it in the kitchen. (James what were you
> thinking really? I hope not to fry an egg! Or can it do this?).
In Japan, the DS has reached pervasiveness that its no longer
considered a game console, hence the software library even includes
interactive cookbooks, yoga/pilates guides, interactive storybooks,
english language proficiency training, etc. some of which I actually
imported from Japan to use, and even bought some interactive
storybooks for my daughter.
My interest here is mainly on the use of a commercial device that has
a radical approach to an interface, not to mention has at least 5
times less the power of a typical XO-1 machine but has similar network
capabilities. We should also take note that Japan is not a target
market of OLPC for the XO-1, but still has needs to provide a better
way to deliver education hence there is a commercial entity that
recognizes the need for them to do so.
--
Jerome G.
Pinoy Tech Podcast: http://www.pinoytechpodcast.com
Blog: http://blog.gotangco.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:25:05 +0800
From: Ryan Letada <rletada at gmail.com>
Subject: [OLPC-Philippines] Weekly Updates: Independence Day,
Community Update, Meeting (Jun 14) Materials, Tech Talks, Help
Wanted.
To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"
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Happy Philippine Independence Day!!
With the flurries of emails, it is difficult to keep track of all the
different discussion threads. Below is a condensed weekly update, which
includes past week?s developments, overviews of relevant developments in
Technology, and materials for our coming meeting this Sunday.
If you want to submit an update regarding what you are doing to move the
cause forward (ie. fundraising, presenting in your local communities) or any
other relevant information, please submit rletada at gmail.com by the Friday of
each week.
BTW, thanks Jerome for this great idea. This is indeed a great way to
highlight our hard work, and progress as a community!
* *
*--Community Updates?*
* *
*Sagip Bata: Possible XO Pilot Deployment Program*
*Submitted by Jerome Gotangco*
Members of Singles for Christ (SFC) Meralco are currently evaluating the
XO-1 and Sugar learning environment for the Sagip project targeting children
from depressed areas from age 6 to 13 with the aim of supplementing
knowledge that they currently receive from public school education. Sunday
classes regarding academic tutorials, sports, and creative workshops as well
as very solid values formation classes are offered through this program.
Please contact Jerome Gotangco for more information.
Please check: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/GK_Sagip_Pilot
*OLPC Boston Headquarters Meeting: Mel and Marife*
*Submitted by Cherry Withers*
* *
Marife Mago is our envoy to the OLPC meet this week in Boston. She is going
to voice some of our concerns as group and lobby to get initial hardware for
a pilot as well as to garner some ideas from key members of OLPC main. She
is also meeting with Mel Chua. Please contact Cherry Withers and Marife Mago
for more information.
*--Meeting Updates ?*
*Submitted by Ryan Letada and Mel Chua*
* *
1. Our next meeting will be on June 14, 2009 at 9pm Philippines time (6am
US PST, 9am US EST) on #sugar-meeting in Freenode. (This channel has an
automatic logging bot that we can use.)
Please check: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Philippines/Meetings.
Note: This is a high level organizational meeting (we can schedule
work-sprints when we figure out what people want to do next), and we will be
firmly sticking to the agenda.
* *
1. To make sure that our meeting is productive, here are some very
relevant materials that may enhance our discussion:
1. *OLE Nepal* ? Bryan Berry Presentation ? Doing Business:
http://www.slideshare.net/gueste596c5/olpc-startup-5-easy-steps?type=powerpoint
1. *Waveplace*: Timothy Falconer of Waveplace and Squeakland talks about
the vision of Waveplace and their work in the Caribbean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erWQTmu3S1U
1. *SugarCamp*: Talk on Community: Defining Community, growing it and its
challenges: Please view the youtube series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ3Ge9YeAys
* *
*--Tech Talk?*
* *
*Nintendo DS ? a Tool for Learning *
*Submitted by Jerome Gotangco*
* *
You probably have a Nintendo DS game console or a family member does (most
likely your child). Today, Nintendo unveiled a classroom solution utilizing
the Nintendo DS with a turnkey solution which includes the software and the
server components to make it possible to use the Nintendo DS to deliver
education called Nintendo DS Kyoushitsu. The premise is that you load a
computer with the server software, and pop in the classroom cartridge to the
DS and the game consoles connect to the computer using the client and server
software which can accommodate up to 50 DS consoles per 1 server. Since the
game console has wifi, everything is done wireless as well and local.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/2009/090609.html
* *
*---Help Wanted?*
*SPREAD THE WORD* about our work! Engage! *START CONVERSATIONS*! The growth
of our community translates into a growth of much needed capacity to
successfully deploy our programs. SPREAD THE WORD!!!
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:01:12 -0400
From: Mel Chua <mel at melchua.com>
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] I have reserved the name already
To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots
<olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org>
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Thanks for the update, Charles - definitely keep us in the loop with
what you're doing! (We can only help out with the things we know about,
after all.)
I think it's totally fine (indeed, even ideal) to have multiple groups
working on this problem in the Philippines from different angles - we
all want to see the same thing - Filipino kids transforming themselves
into kickass learners - and also believe that (well-implemented!)
technology will play no small part in this, and having different groups
try different things just means we'll be able to learn that much more
from each other.
The folks at 1cc are great (admittedly, I'm biased on this ;) and doing
fantastic work, and keeping in touch with them, through a foundation
expressly set for that purpose or otherwise, is a good idea. The folks
at Sugar Labs are great (admittedly, I'm biased on this too...) and
doing fantastic work, and keeping in touch with them is also a very good
idea. The people on this list don't /have/ to tie themselves to one
organization or another - personally, I hope we'll each choose to give
ourselves the same freedom of choice that we want to give Filipino kids
in their education. It doesn't mean we can't work with OLPC or Sugar
Labs (in fact, I really hope we will!) but it does mean we shouldn't
restrict ourselves to doing so. That's the Freedom in Free Software -
it's not just the software, too.
Happy Independence Day, all. :)
--Mel
Charles Chen wrote:
> Hi Cherry,
>
> I just wanted to let you know I was the person who reserved the name
> OLPC Philippines Foundation Inc (OPFI) with the SEC.
>
> Hopefully, I will incorporate the foundation in the next few weeks once
> I have obtained the needed funds available for this purpose.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:52:57 -0400
From: Mel Chua <mel at melchua.com>
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Back-up process requirement
To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots
<olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org>
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RAID-like option: takes a lot of space. If each student's journal can be
up to half a gig (afaik that's back-of-the-envelope how much it gets on
the XO), a classroom of 40 kids = 20GB thumbdrive and 0 data privacy.
Automatic server backup is a feature that's been available for several
months.
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_Backup_and_restore_to_school_server)
I've tested this myself; it works, at least on XOs. I see no reason why
it would not work for SoaS, but have not tried - Caroline may know
better what the status of SoaS with respect to schoolservers is. It's
clunky, and the interface is ugly, but it works. You *do* need engineers
who know what they're doing to make sure it's implemented properly,
though - last time I checked, ease-of-setup hadn't been tackled yet.
--Mel
James Shields wrote:
> Have you considered a RAID-like option ... store the classroom data on
> all machines in the classroom? Full mirror on every machine.
>
> James Shields
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Charles Chen [mailto:ideasman88 at yahoo.com.au]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2009 12:45 PM
> *To:* OLPC Mailing List
> *Cc:* James Shields
> *Subject:* Back-up process requirement
>
> Hi James,
>
> Thank you for raising the issue. Yes, the back-up is required to
> maintain a record of the kid's work as he progresses on doing the
> course supplement as well as really having a back-up record on the
> current activity in case the USB being used is not available for any
> reason (lost, stolen or corrupted).
>
> However, please bear in mind we are discussing this on the
> hypothetical basis. Until we can actually run a pilot which will
> simulate the same classroom conditions of doing this, we will never
> know for sure how realiable this will be or if it will work at all.
> Hence, the need for the pilot.
>
> I will keep you in loop when we are about to run the first pilot to
> avail of your cooking ops, I mean your software developer skills.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Charles
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:22:02 +0800
> From: "James Shields" <james at marasbaras.com
> </mc/compose?to=james at marasbaras.com>>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC deployment model will be
> interactive
> To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"
> <olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org
> </mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org>>
> Message-ID: <MPEIKKIHAEKFDBMDPGJBMEGOEDAC.james at marasbaras.com
> </mc/compose?to=MPEIKKIHAEKFDBMDPGJBMEGOEDAC.james at marasbaras.com>>
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>
> For OLPC XO, I agree with you entirely. USB drives are the only
> way to go
> for delivery. Interactive is the ideal solution.
>
> Since I haven't been in on the conversations about how you plan
> to deliver,
> what will the back up files be used for? Keeping the results of
> student
> homework? Keeping the content around so that it can be used for
> the next
> class?
>
> I was merely commenting on the possibility of a lower tech
> solution for
> schools that cannot get XOs. If this is outside the scope fo the
> discussion, sorry for bringing it up.
> James Shields
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olpc-philippines-bounces at lists.laptop.org
> </mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines-bounces at lists.laptop.org>
> [mailto:olpc-philippines-bounces at lists.laptop.org
> </mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines-bounces at lists.laptop.org>]On
> Behalf Of Charles Chen
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:57 AM
> To: OLPC Mailing List
> Subject: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC deployment model will be
> interactive
>
>
> Hi James,
>
> The OLPC XO deployment model I am considering for local
> school
> pilots will all be interactive using USBs to contain the content
> to be used
> and Sugar as the application to support this. I am not
> considering providing
> a static option as this will require a printer and all the related
> consumables involved to support this. There is also the related
> support and
> maintenance responsibilities required from the school if this is
> provided.
>
> I have yet to identify what option will be used to
> back-up the files
> used other than using a server for this purpose. I would
> appreciate your
> inputs on the matter.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
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