[OLPC-Philippines] the XO is only a small part of the main objective
Charles Chen
ideasman88 at yahoo.com.au
Sat Oct 11 03:39:53 EDT 2008
Hi Everybody,
Allow me to share with you further information on the planned pilot requirements:
I think the XO is only a small part of the main objective of providing a form of online education. Its only a tool from which students can increase their level of learning.
TOTAL COST. The pilot seeks to use open source content which can be used to learn English. So we have to discount using any proprietary content as this only increases the cost of delivery if we have to pay any license fees. Bear in mind the total cost of using the XO is more than the just the XO itself. As you are aware there are other requirements which we have cover to make this work. Network cabling the classrooms so that connectivity can be provided for one. Broadband access, Servers, routers, and UPS for the entire system. And don't forget helpdesk support and training for the teachers in using the XO as well as related software and hardware.
XO OWNERSHIP. I envisioned the XO to be donated to the school instead to the student so that it can be passed on the next batch of students that follow the current one.
POWER UP. I am told by OLPC Australia in their trails in the Pacific islands, they have been successful to recharge the XO using solar panels.
Thanks.
Charles
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1. Re: OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at 8PM PHT.
(James Shields)
2. Re: OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at 8PM PHT.
(James Shields)
3. Re: Stallman and OLPC (Jerome Gotangco)
4. Re: Stallman and OLPC (James Shields)
5. Re: Stallman and OLPC (Mj Mendoza IV)
6. Re: Pilot Software and Content (Jerome Gotangco)
7. Re: Pilot Software and Content (James Shields)
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:03:04 +0800
From: "James Shields" <james at marasbaras.com>
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at
8PM PHT.
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+2
James Shields
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[mailto:olpc-philippines-bounces at lists.laptop.org]On Behalf Of Jerome
Gotangco
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:46 PM
To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17,2008 at 8PM
PHT.
2008/10/11 melch valimento <melch_man at yahoo.com>:
> On the "Windows bickering" (and some even "proprietary
software
bickering")
> - let's just concentrate on the task at hand :) I joined OLPC because
I'd
> like to create a game that could entertain and hopefully help educate our
> target audience (the kids). We're beginning to sound like we're
the ones
who
> wants to use this laptop eventually... or just help in its development to
> prove a point, hehe ;)
+1
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:08:06 +0800
From: "James Shields" <james at marasbaras.com>
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at
8PM PHT.
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I'm not here to prove a point. I see many of these kids at least once a
week, sometimes more often. I'm here, like I am at the Rotary, to help
them.
For this project, OLPC, I couldn't care less about platforms, software, pay
or free, etc. I care whether or not we can deliver content and product to
the target audience (both the children and those who would purcahse the XOs
for the children) that is compelling.
Honestly, it doesn't have to be world-class. Although, it should be good
and solid. I've seen their faces light up over a simple glass of milk or
seeing their picture on a cell phone or digital camera.
If I'm not mistaken, we want to provide education AND hope.
James Shields
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[mailto:olpc-philippines-bounces at lists.laptop.org]On Behalf Of melch
valimento
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:38 PM
To: mjmendoza at ymail.com; OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17,2008 at 8PM
PHT.
Hi MJ,
Kuya ka diyan :P
(Kuya means older brother...but I'm too young for that...young at heart,
AHAHAHAH)
"make the game playable on either of the Flash Player" - yup,
that's the
idea
On the "Windows bickering" (and some even "proprietary
software
bickering") - let's just concentrate on the task at hand :) I joined
OLPC
because I'd like to create a game that could entertain and hopefully help
educate our target audience (the kids). We're beginning to sound like
we're
the ones who wants to use this laptop eventually... or just help in its
development to prove a point, hehe ;)
Regards,
Melch
Mj Mendoza IV <mjmendoza at ymail.com> wrote:
(Kuya) Melch, :D what if try to make the game playable on either of the
Flash Player. As such, Kids with Gnash and who doesn't know how to install
Adobe's FP will get to play the game too. So the saving should be via
internet (that is if Gnash doesn't support 'shared objects')
Regards.
Mj Mendoza IV,
Developer, KonsolScript
http://konsolscript.sourceforge.net
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:29:26 +0800
From: "Jerome Gotangco" <jgotangco at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC
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Hi James,
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:03 PM, James Shields <james at marasbaras.com>
wrote:
> 1. Based on what I've been reading here, elsewhere, and what I've
seen in
> the schools (I belong to the local Rotary club and we've been taking
milk,
> books, and supplies to the poorer barangays here) ... what they need is
> content, not software. Is there anyone among us who is a content
generator?
> I'm a developer, I can mush things around and make them somewhat
pretty,
> although I'm not designer.
I did got myself involved with content with I was still with an
education foundation but the fundamental problem with content in the
local education front is that anything that is provided to the local
school system should adhere to the DepEd curriculum. If it doesn't
fall under that, it only becomes a supplement. I know some key people
in local foundations involved with education and what is common to
them is that the educational team will always involve two
specializations: technology and content. So you are right that what we
lack currently here are content developers/generators.
> 2. I have two the B1G1v1 machines. It's my understanding that I
cannot run
> Windows XP on them. Am I wrong? I hope so.
Currently no documented way of doing so. The ones discussed before
were internal demos made by MS to the OLPC team and it involves
running the OS from an SD Card. Another is a special batch of XO-1
machines that have bigger storage just to make it work but these are
prototypes. Not sure about XO-1.5 perhaps Greg is the best guy to
answer this.
> 3. I skipped a few e-mails when you folks were discussing Gnash vs. Flash.
> Was it decided that Adobe's Flash license was too restrictive to use?
We have a bunch of flash developers here involved with
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/Flash_Gamedev and the consensus is
that doing things in Flash Lite will make it compatible with Gnash.
There are issues though with Flash content using MP3 as sound codec in
which the current builds do not support (most likely need backporting
of gstreamer plugins).
> 4. Last I looked, Sugar did not run natively on WinXP. Is that still the
> case? Is there any desire for Sugar to have a native XP version?
There is currently no one-click way to install Sugar on Windows as the
dependencies are too complex to make it work. The best route is
emulation. It's much, much easier to have it work on a different Linux
distribution and install Sugar components and activities.
--
Jerome G.
Website: http://www.gotangco.com
Blog: http://engage.wordpress.com
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:43:29 +0800
From: "James Shields" <james at marasbaras.com>
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC
To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"
<olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org>
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Regarding content in general, the schools which I've visited sorely lacked
books. Their "libraries" were tiny with single copies of each book,
MAYBE
two.
Seems like the first thing to do is to get textbooks into the hands of the
kids via the XO.
Now, what I say next I want people to read in the best possible light.
I've
been to these barangays, I've seen the deep levels of poverty and the
desperation in some of their eyes (this is why I keep going back donating my
time and what resources I can). What I say next is not meant to shed a bad
light on ANYONE ... just a question about KEEPING the XO in the hands of the
child.
What can be done to prevent the sale or pawning of the XO? Even a few
hundred pesos could be very tempting to a family faced with no food. I know
that I would do just about anything to ensure the health and welfare of my
wife and son. I would not find fault in others for doing so themselves.
Everything we might create is worthless if the children don't have the XO.
Also, has anyone locally looked into alternative power generation for the
laptop? I know that even small rises in the power bills can really hit
these families hard. The recent rice growing seasons have been hit with bad
weather (my father-in-law lost 80% of his tapol (red sticky rice)). <---
you can tell I'm a programmer, nested parenthesis :)
James Shields
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[mailto:olpc-philippines-bounces at lists.laptop.org]On Behalf Of Jerome
Gotangco
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:29 PM
To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC
Hi James,
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:03 PM, James Shields <james at marasbaras.com>
wrote:
> 1. Based on what I've been reading here, elsewhere, and what I've
seen in
> the schools (I belong to the local Rotary club and we've been taking
milk,
> books, and supplies to the poorer barangays here) ... what they need is
> content, not software. Is there anyone among us who is a content
generator?
> I'm a developer, I can mush things around and make them somewhat
pretty,
> although I'm not designer.
I did got myself involved with content with I was still with an
education foundation but the fundamental problem with content in the
local education front is that anything that is provided to the local
school system should adhere to the DepEd curriculum. If it doesn't
fall under that, it only becomes a supplement. I know some key people
in local foundations involved with education and what is common to
them is that the educational team will always involve two
specializations: technology and content. So you are right that what we
lack currently here are content developers/generators.
> 2. I have two the B1G1v1 machines. It's my understanding that I
cannot
run
> Windows XP on them. Am I wrong? I hope so.
Currently no documented way of doing so. The ones discussed before
were internal demos made by MS to the OLPC team and it involves
running the OS from an SD Card. Another is a special batch of XO-1
machines that have bigger storage just to make it work but these are
prototypes. Not sure about XO-1.5 perhaps Greg is the best guy to
answer this.
> 3. I skipped a few e-mails when you folks were discussing Gnash vs. Flash.
> Was it decided that Adobe's Flash license was too restrictive to use?
We have a bunch of flash developers here involved with
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/Flash_Gamedev and the consensus is
that doing things in Flash Lite will make it compatible with Gnash.
There are issues though with Flash content using MP3 as sound codec in
which the current builds do not support (most likely need backporting
of gstreamer plugins).
> 4. Last I looked, Sugar did not run natively on WinXP. Is that still the
> case? Is there any desire for Sugar to have a native XP version?
There is currently no one-click way to install Sugar on Windows as the
dependencies are too complex to make it work. The best route is
emulation. It's much, much easier to have it work on a different Linux
distribution and install Sugar components and activities.
--
Jerome G.
Website: http://www.gotangco.com
Blog: http://engage.wordpress.com
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:51:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mj Mendoza IV <mjmendoza at ymail.com>
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC
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> Getting people to use your product and want to use it in the future is
called GOOD MARKETING.I very much agree.
After? 25 years, proprietary softwares are still leading the market. Because
they have money to pay for advertisements. And organizations like OLPC depends
on volunteers and donations.
That's a big gap for us to fill-in to achieve a Good Marketing.
Regards.
Mj Mendoza IV,
Developer, KonsolScript
http://konsolscript.sourceforge.net
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:57:39 +0800
From: "Jerome Gotangco" <jgotangco at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Pilot Software and Content
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Cc: Willie Pertubal <wilfredo_pertubal at yahoo.com>
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2008/10/11 Charles Chen <ideasman88 at yahoo.com.au>:
> 2. Identifying a suitable content to teach learning English for a Grade IV
> level class.
This content should be DepEd curriculum compliant, or the teaching
staff should be trained to what the XO-1+XS can provide then it can be
agreed upon on how the lessons can be delivered. What I am thinking in
the interim is that if there are any material that the school can
provide, it can be digitized and packaged as content for the Browse
activity, either in HTML or PDF format. It's quite simple but we can
structure it in a way to become more interactive with the Browse
activity. The current Chemistry material is a good example, along with
wikibooks.
Let me know if this is workable then we can look into having this open
to the community.
--
Jerome G.
Website: http://www.gotangco.com
Blog: http://engage.wordpress.com
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:05:31 +0800
From: "James Shields" <james at marasbaras.com>
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Pilot Software and Content
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Browse mode ... perfect. This would be a good way to get a lot of content
going. The schools sorely lack materials. The DepEd-approved textbooks
already exist.
If distributed in HTML form, the XO and other machines can use it. If our
work can span both XO and other platforms with little to no extra labor, I
think we should do it.
Although, I'm not sure how a publisher is going to react when we want to
give their work away free.
What do we see as the long-term model for delivering textbooks? Let's be
honest with ourselves, if we want to kids to have high-quality materials,
professionals are going to have to create them. And, with possibly a few
exceptions, that's not us.
Do we encourage the DepEd to take up a model of paying a license fee to have
appropriate digital content created to be distributed by XO and/or the web?
Or, is the current thinking that we can produce material that's good enough
and the DepEd can help us to constantly refine it?
In the latter case, can the kids rely on a constant supply of enough donated
labor to keep their materials up-to-date?
Lastly, am I foolishly asking questions that have been asked-and-answers
long ago and I've just missed the FAQ? :)
James Shields
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Gotangco
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:58 PM
To: ideasman88 at yahoo.com.au; OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots
Cc: Willie Pertubal
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Pilot Software and Content
2008/10/11 Charles Chen <ideasman88 at yahoo.com.au>:
> 2. Identifying a suitable content to teach learning English for a Grade IV
> level class.
This content should be DepEd curriculum compliant, or the teaching
staff should be trained to what the XO-1+XS can provide then it can be
agreed upon on how the lessons can be delivered. What I am thinking in
the interim is that if there are any material that the school can
provide, it can be digitized and packaged as content for the Browse
activity, either in HTML or PDF format. It's quite simple but we can
structure it in a way to become more interactive with the Browse
activity. The current Chemistry material is a good example, along with
wikibooks.
Let me know if this is workable then we can look into having this open
to the community.
--
Jerome G.
Website: http://www.gotangco.com
Blog: http://engage.wordpress.com
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