<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Hi Everybody,<br><br>Allow me to share with you further information on the planned pilot requirements:<br><br>I think the XO is only a small part of the main objective of providing a form of online education. Its only a tool from which students can increase their level of learning. <br><br>TOTAL COST. The pilot seeks to use open source content which can be used to learn English. So we have to discount using any proprietary content as this only increases the cost of delivery if we have to pay any license fees. Bear in mind the total cost of using the XO is more than the just the XO itself. As you are aware there are other requirements which we have cover to make this work. Network cabling the classrooms so that connectivity can be provided for one. Broadband access, Servers, routers, and UPS for the entire system. And don't forget helpdesk support and training
for the teachers in using the XO as well as related software and hardware. <br><br>XO OWNERSHIP. I envisioned the XO to be donated to the school instead to the student so that it can be passed on the next batch of students that follow the current one. <br><br>POWER UP. I am told by OLPC Australia in their trails in the Pacific islands, they have been successful to recharge the XO using solar panels. <br><br>Thanks.<br><br>Charles<br><br><br><br><br><br><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br><br></div> <div>Please consider our environment before printing this email.<br>WARNING - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please delete and inform us by return email. Because emails and attachments may be interfered with, may contain computer viruses or other defects and may not be successfully replicated on other systems, you must be cautious. We cannot guarantee that what you receive is what we sent. If you have
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Shields)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:03:04 +0800<br>From: "James Shields" <james@marasbaras.com><br>Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at<br> 8PM PHT.<br>To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"<br> <olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org><br>Message-ID: <MPEIKKIHAEKFDBMDPGJBGEDGDIAC.james@marasbaras.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"<br><br>+2<br><br>James Shields<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: olpc-philippines-bounces@lists.laptop.org<br>[mailto:olpc-philippines-bounces@lists.laptop.org]On Behalf Of Jerome<br>Gotangco<br>Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:46 PM<br>To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots<br>Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17,2008 at 8PM<br>PHT.<br><br><br>2008/10/11 melch valimento <melch_man@yahoo.com>:<br>> On
the "Windows bickering" (and some even "proprietary<br>software<br>bickering")<br>> - let's just concentrate on the task at hand :) I joined OLPC because<br>I'd<br>> like to create a game that could entertain and hopefully help educate our<br>> target audience (the kids). We're beginning to sound like we're<br>the ones<br>who<br>> wants to use this laptop eventually... or just help in its development to<br>> prove a point, hehe ;)<br><br>+1<br><br>--<br>Jerome G.<br><br>Website: http://www.gotangco.com<br>Blog: http://engage.wordpress.com<br>_______________________________________________<br>OLPC-Philippines mailing list<br>OLPC-Philippines@lists.laptop.org<br>http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-philippines<br>No virus found in this incoming message.<br>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com<br>Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008<br>4:08 PM<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message:
2<br>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:08:06 +0800<br>From: "James Shields" <james@marasbaras.com><br>Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at<br> 8PM PHT.<br>To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"<br> <olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org><br>Message-ID: <MPEIKKIHAEKFDBMDPGJBOEDGDIAC.james@marasbaras.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>I'm not here to prove a point. I see many of these kids at least once a<br>week, sometimes more often. I'm here, like I am at the Rotary, to help<br>them.<br><br>For this project, OLPC, I couldn't care less about platforms, software, pay<br>or free, etc. I care whether or not we can deliver content and product to<br>the target audience (both the children and those who would purcahse the XOs<br>for the children) that is compelling.<br><br>Honestly, it doesn't have to be world-class. Although, it should be good<br>and solid. I've seen their faces
light up over a simple glass of milk or<br>seeing their picture on a cell phone or digital camera.<br><br>If I'm not mistaken, we want to provide education AND hope.<br>James Shields<br><br><br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: olpc-philippines-bounces@lists.laptop.org<br>[mailto:olpc-philippines-bounces@lists.laptop.org]On Behalf Of melch<br>valimento<br> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:38 PM<br> To: mjmendoza@ymail.com; OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots<br> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17,2008 at 8PM<br>PHT.<br><br><br> Hi MJ,<br><br> Kuya ka diyan :P<br> (Kuya means older brother...but I'm too young for that...young at heart,<br>AHAHAHAH)<br><br> "make the game playable on either of the Flash Player" - yup,<br>that's the<br>idea<br><br> On the "Windows bickering" (and some even "proprietary<br>software<br>bickering") - let's just concentrate on the task at hand :) I joined<br>OLPC<br>because I'd like
to create a game that could entertain and hopefully help<br>educate our target audience (the kids). We're beginning to sound like<br>we're<br>the ones who wants to use this laptop eventually... or just help in its<br>development to prove a point, hehe ;)<br><br> Regards,<br> Melch<br><br><br> Mj Mendoza IV <mjmendoza@ymail.com> wrote:<br> (Kuya) Melch, :D what if try to make the game playable on either of the<br>Flash Player. As such, Kids with Gnash and who doesn't know how to install<br>Adobe's FP will get to play the game too. So the saving should be via<br>internet (that is if Gnash doesn't support 'shared objects')<br><br><br> Regards.<br><br> Mj Mendoza IV,<br> Developer, KonsolScript<br> http://konsolscript.sourceforge.net<br><br><br><br><br> _______________________________________________<br> OLPC-Philippines mailing list<br> OLPC-Philippines@lists.laptop.org<br>
http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-philippines<br><br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL:<br>http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-philippines/attachments/20081011/137dec52/attachment-0001.htm<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:29:26 +0800<br>From: "Jerome Gotangco" <jgotangco@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC<br>To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"<br> <olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org><br>Message-ID:<br> <c138e6150810102329v7cd03bcdvd63a088ccce64282@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>Hi James,<br><br>On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:03 PM, James Shields <james@marasbaras.com><br>wrote:<br>> 1. Based on what I've been reading here, elsewhere, and what I've<br>seen in<br>> the schools (I belong to the local Rotary club and we've been
taking<br>milk,<br>> books, and supplies to the poorer barangays here) ... what they need is<br>> content, not software. Is there anyone among us who is a content<br>generator?<br>> I'm a developer, I can mush things around and make them somewhat<br>pretty,<br>> although I'm not designer.<br><br>I did got myself involved with content with I was still with an<br>education foundation but the fundamental problem with content in the<br>local education front is that anything that is provided to the local<br>school system should adhere to the DepEd curriculum. If it doesn't<br>fall under that, it only becomes a supplement. I know some key people<br>in local foundations involved with education and what is common to<br>them is that the educational team will always involve two<br>specializations: technology and content. So you are right that what we<br>lack currently here are content developers/generators.<br><br>> 2. I have two the B1G1v1
machines. It's my understanding that I<br>cannot run<br>> Windows XP on them. Am I wrong? I hope so.<br><br>Currently no documented way of doing so. The ones discussed before<br>were internal demos made by MS to the OLPC team and it involves<br>running the OS from an SD Card. Another is a special batch of XO-1<br>machines that have bigger storage just to make it work but these are<br>prototypes. Not sure about XO-1.5 perhaps Greg is the best guy to<br>answer this.<br><br>> 3. I skipped a few e-mails when you folks were discussing Gnash vs. Flash.<br>> Was it decided that Adobe's Flash license was too restrictive to use?<br><br>We have a bunch of flash developers here involved with<br>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/Flash_Gamedev and the consensus is<br>that doing things in Flash Lite will make it compatible with Gnash.<br>There are issues though with Flash content using MP3 as sound codec in<br>which the current builds do not support
(most likely need backporting<br>of gstreamer plugins).<br><br>> 4. Last I looked, Sugar did not run natively on WinXP. Is that still the<br>> case? Is there any desire for Sugar to have a native XP version?<br><br>There is currently no one-click way to install Sugar on Windows as the<br>dependencies are too complex to make it work. The best route is<br>emulation. It's much, much easier to have it work on a different Linux<br>distribution and install Sugar components and activities.<br><br>-- <br>Jerome G.<br><br>Website: http://www.gotangco.com<br>Blog: http://engage.wordpress.com<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:43:29 +0800<br>From: "James Shields" <james@marasbaras.com><br>Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC<br>To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"<br> <olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org><br>Message-ID:
<MPEIKKIHAEKFDBMDPGJBMEDHDIAC.james@marasbaras.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"<br><br>Regarding content in general, the schools which I've visited sorely lacked<br>books. Their "libraries" were tiny with single copies of each book,<br>MAYBE<br>two.<br><br>Seems like the first thing to do is to get textbooks into the hands of the<br>kids via the XO.<br><br>Now, what I say next I want people to read in the best possible light. <br>I've<br>been to these barangays, I've seen the deep levels of poverty and the<br>desperation in some of their eyes (this is why I keep going back donating my<br>time and what resources I can). What I say next is not meant to shed a bad<br>light on ANYONE ... just a question about KEEPING the XO in the hands of the<br>child.<br><br>What can be done to prevent the sale or pawning of the XO? Even a few<br>hundred pesos could be very tempting to a family faced with no food. I know<br>that I would
do just about anything to ensure the health and welfare of my<br>wife and son. I would not find fault in others for doing so themselves.<br><br>Everything we might create is worthless if the children don't have the XO.<br><br>Also, has anyone locally looked into alternative power generation for the<br>laptop? I know that even small rises in the power bills can really hit<br>these families hard. The recent rice growing seasons have been hit with bad<br>weather (my father-in-law lost 80% of his tapol (red sticky rice)). <---<br>you can tell I'm a programmer, nested parenthesis :)<br><br>James Shields<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: olpc-philippines-bounces@lists.laptop.org<br>[mailto:olpc-philippines-bounces@lists.laptop.org]On Behalf Of Jerome<br>Gotangco<br>Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:29 PM<br>To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots<br>Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC<br><br><br>Hi James,<br><br>On Sat,
Oct 11, 2008 at 2:03 PM, James Shields <james@marasbaras.com><br>wrote:<br>> 1. Based on what I've been reading here, elsewhere, and what I've<br>seen in<br>> the schools (I belong to the local Rotary club and we've been taking<br>milk,<br>> books, and supplies to the poorer barangays here) ... what they need is<br>> content, not software. Is there anyone among us who is a content<br>generator?<br>> I'm a developer, I can mush things around and make them somewhat<br>pretty,<br>> although I'm not designer.<br><br>I did got myself involved with content with I was still with an<br>education foundation but the fundamental problem with content in the<br>local education front is that anything that is provided to the local<br>school system should adhere to the DepEd curriculum. If it doesn't<br>fall under that, it only becomes a supplement. I know some key people<br>in local foundations involved with education and what is common
to<br>them is that the educational team will always involve two<br>specializations: technology and content. So you are right that what we<br>lack currently here are content developers/generators.<br><br>> 2. I have two the B1G1v1 machines. It's my understanding that I<br>cannot<br>run<br>> Windows XP on them. Am I wrong? I hope so.<br><br>Currently no documented way of doing so. The ones discussed before<br>were internal demos made by MS to the OLPC team and it involves<br>running the OS from an SD Card. Another is a special batch of XO-1<br>machines that have bigger storage just to make it work but these are<br>prototypes. Not sure about XO-1.5 perhaps Greg is the best guy to<br>answer this.<br><br>> 3. I skipped a few e-mails when you folks were discussing Gnash vs. Flash.<br>> Was it decided that Adobe's Flash license was too restrictive to use?<br><br>We have a bunch of flash developers here involved
with<br>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/Flash_Gamedev and the consensus is<br>that doing things in Flash Lite will make it compatible with Gnash.<br>There are issues though with Flash content using MP3 as sound codec in<br>which the current builds do not support (most likely need backporting<br>of gstreamer plugins).<br><br>> 4. Last I looked, Sugar did not run natively on WinXP. Is that still the<br>> case? Is there any desire for Sugar to have a native XP version?<br><br>There is currently no one-click way to install Sugar on Windows as the<br>dependencies are too complex to make it work. The best route is<br>emulation. It's much, much easier to have it work on a different Linux<br>distribution and install Sugar components and activities.<br><br>--<br>Jerome G.<br><br>Website: http://www.gotangco.com<br>Blog: http://engage.wordpress.com<br>_______________________________________________<br>OLPC-Philippines mailing
list<br>OLPC-Philippines@lists.laptop.org<br>http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-philippines<br>No virus found in this incoming message.<br>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com<br>Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008<br>4:08 PM<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:51:45 -0700 (PDT)<br>From: Mj Mendoza IV <mjmendoza@ymail.com><br>Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC<br>To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots<br> <olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org><br>Message-ID: <858855.14961.qm@web59602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>> Getting people to use your product and want to use it in the future is<br>called GOOD MARKETING.I very much agree.<br><br>After? 25 years, proprietary softwares are still leading the market. Because<br>they have money to pay for advertisements. And organizations
like OLPC depends<br>on volunteers and donations.<br><br>That's a big gap for us to fill-in to achieve a Good Marketing.<br><br>Regards.<br><br><br><br>Mj Mendoza IV,<br><br>Developer, KonsolScript<br><br>http://konsolscript.sourceforge.net<br><br><br><br> <br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL:<br>http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-philippines/attachments/20081010/37f9ed3c/attachment-0001.htm<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:57:39 +0800<br>From: "Jerome Gotangco" <jgotangco@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Pilot Software and Content<br>To: ideasman88@yahoo.com.au, "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"<br> <olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org><br>Cc: Willie Pertubal <wilfredo_pertubal@yahoo.com><br>Message-ID:<br> <c138e6150810102357j48e68792q53c4f157c51552d6@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>2008/10/11 Charles Chen <ideasman88@yahoo.com.au>:<br>> 2. Identifying a suitable content to teach learning English for a Grade IV<br>> level class.<br><br>This content should be DepEd curriculum compliant, or the teaching<br>staff should be trained to what the XO-1+XS can provide then it can be<br>agreed upon on how the lessons can be delivered. What I am thinking in<br>the interim is that if there are any material that the school can<br>provide, it can be digitized and packaged as content for the Browse<br>activity, either in HTML or PDF format. It's quite simple but we can<br>structure it in a way to become more interactive with the Browse<br>activity. The current Chemistry material is a good example, along with<br>wikibooks.<br><br>Let me know if this is workable then we can look into having this open<br>to the community.<br><br>-- <br>Jerome G.<br><br>Website: http://www.gotangco.com<br>Blog:
http://engage.wordpress.com<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:05:31 +0800<br>From: "James Shields" <james@marasbaras.com><br>Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Pilot Software and Content<br>To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"<br> <olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org><br>Message-ID: <MPEIKKIHAEKFDBMDPGJBIEDIDIAC.james@marasbaras.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"<br><br>Browse mode ... perfect. This would be a good way to get a lot of content<br>going. The schools sorely lack materials. The DepEd-approved textbooks<br>already exist.<br><br>If distributed in HTML form, the XO and other machines can use it. If our<br>work can span both XO and other platforms with little to no extra labor, I<br>think we should do it.<br><br>Although, I'm not sure how a publisher is going to react when we want to<br>give their work away free.<br><br>What do we see as the
long-term model for delivering textbooks? Let's be<br>honest with ourselves, if we want to kids to have high-quality materials,<br>professionals are going to have to create them. And, with possibly a few<br>exceptions, that's not us.<br><br>Do we encourage the DepEd to take up a model of paying a license fee to have<br>appropriate digital content created to be distributed by XO and/or the web?<br>Or, is the current thinking that we can produce material that's good enough<br>and the DepEd can help us to constantly refine it?<br><br>In the latter case, can the kids rely on a constant supply of enough donated<br>labor to keep their materials up-to-date?<br><br>Lastly, am I foolishly asking questions that have been asked-and-answers<br>long ago and I've just missed the FAQ? :)<br><br>James Shields<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: olpc-philippines-bounces@lists.laptop.org<br>[mailto:olpc-philippines-bounces@lists.laptop.org]On Behalf Of
Jerome<br>Gotangco<br>Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:58 PM<br>To: ideasman88@yahoo.com.au; OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots<br>Cc: Willie Pertubal<br>Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Pilot Software and Content<br><br><br>2008/10/11 Charles Chen <ideasman88@yahoo.com.au>:<br>> 2. Identifying a suitable content to teach learning English for a Grade IV<br>> level class.<br><br>This content should be DepEd curriculum compliant, or the teaching<br>staff should be trained to what the XO-1+XS can provide then it can be<br>agreed upon on how the lessons can be delivered. What I am thinking in<br>the interim is that if there are any material that the school can<br>provide, it can be digitized and packaged as content for the Browse<br>activity, either in HTML or PDF format. It's quite simple but we can<br>structure it in a way to become more interactive with the Browse<br>activity. The current Chemistry material is a good example, along
with<br>wikibooks.<br><br>Let me know if this is workable then we can look into having this open<br>to the community.<br><br>--<br>Jerome G.<br><br>Website: http://www.gotangco.com<br>Blog: http://engage.wordpress.com<br>_______________________________________________<br>OLPC-Philippines mailing list<br>OLPC-Philippines@lists.laptop.org<br>http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-philippines<br>No virus found in this incoming message.<br>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com<br>Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008<br>4:08 PM<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>OLPC-Philippines mailing list<br>OLPC-Philippines@lists.laptop.org<br>http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-philippines<br><br><br>End of OLPC-Philippines Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9<br>***********************************************<br></pre></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>
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