[OLPC-Philippines] OLPC-Philippines Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8
Timothy Martinez
timhack007 at gmail.com
Sat Oct 11 03:00:58 EDT 2008
Hi,
I think everyone is having fun. Hmmmm... I'm still busy with my thesis.
I'm developing a Web-based Church Management System. Next Tuesday
I can go back to my python and squeak stuff.
Enjoy and protect free software guys
Tim
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> 1. Re: OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at 8PM PHT.
> (Mj Mendoza IV)
> 2. Re: OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at 8PM PHT (Mj Mendoza
> IV)
> 3. Opera 9.60, Flash 9 or 10 beta (Jerome Gotangco)
> 4. Re: Stallman and OLPC (Mj Mendoza IV)
> 5. Re: Stallman and OLPC (James Shields)
> 6. Re: Stallman and OLPC (Jerome Gotangco)
> 7. Re: OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at 8PM PHT.
> (melch valimento)
> 8. Re: OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at 8PM PHT.
> (Jerome Gotangco)
> 9. Re: Stallman and OLPC (James Shields)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:59:28 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mj Mendoza IV <mjmendoza at ymail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at
> 8PM PHT.
> To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots
> <olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org>
> Message-ID: <137881.45801.qm at web59612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> (Kuya) Melch, :D what if try to make the game playable on either of the
> Flash Player. As such, Kids with Gnash and who doesn't know how to install
> Adobe's FP will get to play the game too. So the saving should be via
> internet (that is if Gnash doesn't support 'shared objects')
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Mj Mendoza IV,
> Developer, KonsolScript
> http://konsolscript.sourceforge.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:03:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mj Mendoza IV <mjmendoza at ymail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at
> 8PM PHT
> To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots
> <olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org>
> Message-ID: <855237.7101.qm at web59604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> > > PS I think I picked up a little tagalog: Pa-test naman = great news?
> >
> > Pa test naman = please test
>
> Hehe. It's more of: "Can I test it?"
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Mj Mendoza IV,
> Developer, KonsolScript
> http://konsolscript.sourceforge.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:19:32 +0800
> From: "Jerome Gotangco" <jgotangco at gmail.com>
> Subject: [OLPC-Philippines] Opera 9.60, Flash 9 or 10 beta
> To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"
> <olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org>
> Message-ID:
> <c138e6150810101919i634a1d0bk6646bb7a1f0921fa at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi,
>
> I tried the latest version of Opera along with Flash 10 beta and it
> just doesn't work. Even loading Flash 9 won't work either. It seems
> that Opera doesn't look at the mozilla plugins anymore so its not
> working upon installation. Most likely I'll have to put the .so
> library where Opera places its plugins (I think it installs in /opt,
> I'll have to check in a few).
>
> BTW, Gnash still is utilized by the Browse activity in 767 even if the
> official Flash plugin is installed. This is not the behaviour in
> previous builds.
>
> --
> Jerome G.
>
> Website: http://www.gotangco.com
> Blog: http://engage.wordpress.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:28:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mj Mendoza IV <mjmendoza at ymail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC
> To: Jerome Gotangco <jgotangco at gmail.com>
> Cc: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots
> <olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org>
> Message-ID: <280102.57135.qm at web59611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> > Stallman is likening Windows to a drug?
>
> It was Bill Gates that first spoke of 'addiction' to Windows
> (written in Fortune Magazine, July 20, 1998 --
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1998/07/20/245683/index.htm
> ).
>
> "Although about three million computers get sold every year in China,
> people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though. And as long as
> they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of
> addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the
> next decade." -- Bill Gates
>
> I say, it is an apt comparison because Windows and addictive drugs both get
> the user hooked. That comparison helps us understand why Microsoft offers
> such a low price to students and schools -- I saw Microsoft posters in Cyber
> Zone (SM West) Microsoft Philippines have set Windows XP's price to around
> 3,000 pesos for "students".
>
> > but how things are going lately, with Stallman at the forefront, and
> raiding Apple Stores, etc.
>
> RMS have always been president of the FSF, but one change in recent years
> is that they now have a team of clever people that think of ways to campaign
> against abusive practices such as DRM and Software Patents.
>
> The campaigns team has made the FSF far more effective, but this
> effectiveness has brought about a change in how their adversaries respond:
> they make false statements about what they are doing.
>
> For instance, when they asked their supporters to go, one by one, to make
> complaints at Apple Stores, an article appeared on Slashdot misrepresenting
> the campaign. Many people were misled by that falsehood.
>
> I am subsribed to DefectiveByDesign.org and it gave accurate information
> about the protests and have seen how the Slashdot article have misled lots
> of people to the real motive of the action.
>
> > they've become fundamentalists looking to cull the infidels.
>
> If you visit DBD and read about their past protest actions, you'll see they
> are nonviolent and lawful. This criticism equates their peaceful protests.
>
>
> Yes, I might sound RMS fanatic here but I believe in what RMS believes, and
> I can't force you to believe what I believed in -- evidences shows it
> anyway.
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Mj Mendoza IV,
> Developer, KonsolScript
> http://konsolscript.sourceforge.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:59:47 +0800
> From: "James Shields" <james at marasbaras.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC
> To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"
> <olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org>
> Message-ID: <MPEIKKIHAEKFDBMDPGJBCEDFDIAC.james at marasbaras.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
>
> Is this Microsoft hatred going to continue? Because, as someone who gets
> paid to write software for Windows, it's really getting fucking old. It's
> the primary reason I've participated so little.
>
> Getting people to use your product and want to use it in the future is
> called GOOD MARKETING. Yes, getting people hooked is the same tactic that
> drug dealers use. Drug dealers use good marketing, too. It works. MANY
> companies use this technique. Ever go to the store and get a sample of
> food? It's the same technique.
>
> For the record, I have two XO's here I got through the B1G1 program. I was
> planning on trying to help. Honestly, I've been completely put off by the
> Linux-loving, Windows-hating zealotry.
>
> James Shields
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olpc-philippines-bounces at lists.laptop.org
> [mailto:olpc-philippines-bounces at lists.laptop.org]On Behalf Of Mj Mendoza
> IV
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 11:28 AM
> To: Jerome Gotangco
> Cc: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots
> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC
>
>
> > Stallman is likening Windows to a drug?
>
> It was Bill Gates that first spoke of 'addiction' to Windows
> (written in Fortune Magazine, July 20, 1998 --
>
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1998/07/20/245683/ind
> ex.htm<http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1998/07/20/245683/index.htm>
> ).
>
> "Although about three million computers get sold every year in China,
> people
> don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though. And as long as
> they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of
> addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the
> next decade." -- Bill Gates
>
> I say, it is an apt comparison because Windows and addictive drugs both get
> the user hooked. That comparison helps us understand why Microsoft offers
> such a low price to students and schools -- I saw Microsoft posters in
> Cyber
> Zone (SM West) Microsoft Philippines have set Windows XP's price to around
> 3,000 pesos for "students".
>
> > but how things are going lately, with Stallman at the forefront, and
> raiding Apple Stores, etc.
>
> RMS have always been president of the FSF, but one change in recent years
> is
> that they now have a team of clever people that think of ways to campaign
> against abusive practices such as DRM and Software Patents.
>
> The campaigns team has made the FSF far more effective, but this
> effectiveness has brought about a change in how their adversaries respond:
> they make false statements about what they are doing.
>
> For instance, when they asked their supporters to go, one by one, to make
> complaints at Apple Stores, an article appeared on Slashdot misrepresenting
> the campaign. Many people were misled by that falsehood.
>
> I am subsribed to DefectiveByDesign.org and it gave accurate information
> about the protests and have seen how the Slashdot article have misled lots
> of people to the real motive of the action.
>
> > they've become fundamentalists looking to cull the infidels.
>
> If you visit DBD and read about their past protest actions, you'll see they
> are nonviolent and lawful. This criticism equates their peaceful protests.
>
>
> Yes, I might sound RMS fanatic here but I believe in what RMS believes, and
> I can't force you to believe what I believed in -- evidences shows it
> anyway.
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Mj Mendoza IV,
> Developer, KonsolScript
> http://konsolscript.sourceforge.net
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:02:28 +0800
> From: "Jerome Gotangco" <jgotangco at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC
> To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"
> <olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org>
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> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Mj Mendoza IV <mjmendoza at ymail.com>
> wrote:
> > Yes, I might sound RMS fanatic here but I believe in what RMS believes,
> and I can't force you to believe what I believed in -- evidences shows it
> anyway.
>
> Then going forward, let's do something here, as these threads are
> needless and they digging on past events and philosophies don't get
> any work done - they are a good read though :-)
>
> 1.) Get yourself to use free software more frequently if not
> exclusively and see how the current education system can benefit to
> it. We should basically practice what we preach. There has been a
> current thread on -devel regarding using Sugar exclusively to be able
> to see areas of improvement that can be done from development early
> before deployment happens. This is basically what we call "eating your
> own dog food."
>
> 2.) OLPC has not done anything official regarding Windows on the XO-1
> machine, and the upcoming G1G1v2 actually will have the 8.2.0 release
> (or is it 8.2.1, can't recall) which is expected to come out next
> week. It's possible to test this with any computer now and testing and
> reporting back is really encouraged.
>
> 3.) Gnash needs a lot of love (and testing) and it supports Ogg.
> Vorbis works. I'm not sure with Theora and Speex. Then let's see what
> works with Gnash and what does not and submit it upstream.
>
> 4.) Add more here...
>
>
> --
> Jerome G.
>
> Website: http://www.gotangco.com
> Blog: http://engage.wordpress.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:37:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: melch valimento <melch_man at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at
> 8PM PHT.
> To: mjmendoza at ymail.com, OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots
> <olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org>
> Message-ID: <249787.97825.qm at web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi MJ,
>
> Kuya ka diyan :P
> (Kuya means older brother...but I'm too young for that...young at heart,
> AHAHAHAH)
>
> "make the game playable on either of the Flash Player" - yup, that's the
> idea
>
> On the "Windows bickering" (and some even "proprietary software bickering")
> - let's just concentrate on the task at hand :) I joined OLPC because I'd
> like to create a game that could entertain and hopefully help educate our
> target audience (the kids). We're beginning to sound like we're the ones who
> wants to use this laptop eventually... or just help in its development to
> prove a point, hehe ;)
>
> Regards,
> Melch
>
>
> Mj Mendoza IV <mjmendoza at ymail.com> wrote: (Kuya) Melch, :D what if try
> to make the game playable on either of the Flash Player. As such, Kids with
> Gnash and who doesn't know how to install Adobe's FP will get to play the
> game too. So the saving should be via internet (that is if Gnash doesn't
> support 'shared objects')
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Mj Mendoza IV,
> Developer, KonsolScript
> http://konsolscript.sourceforge.net
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:46:18 +0800
> From: "Jerome Gotangco" <jgotangco at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC PH next meeting: Oct. 17, 2008 at
> 8PM PHT.
> To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"
> <olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org>
> Message-ID:
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> 2008/10/11 melch valimento <melch_man at yahoo.com>:
> > On the "Windows bickering" (and some even "proprietary software
> bickering")
> > - let's just concentrate on the task at hand :) I joined OLPC because I'd
> > like to create a game that could entertain and hopefully help educate our
> > target audience (the kids). We're beginning to sound like we're the ones
> who
> > wants to use this laptop eventually... or just help in its development to
> > prove a point, hehe ;)
>
> +1
>
> --
> Jerome G.
>
> Website: http://www.gotangco.com
> Blog: http://engage.wordpress.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:03:01 +0800
> From: "James Shields" <james at marasbaras.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC
> To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"
> <olpc-philippines at lists.laptop.org>
> Message-ID: <MPEIKKIHAEKFDBMDPGJBEEDGDIAC.james at marasbaras.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
>
> 1. Based on what I've been reading here, elsewhere, and what I've seen in
> the schools (I belong to the local Rotary club and we've been taking milk,
> books, and supplies to the poorer barangays here) ... what they need is
> content, not software. Is there anyone among us who is a content
> generator?
> I'm a developer, I can mush things around and make them somewhat pretty,
> although I'm not designer.
>
> On a side note, I do not think we should be preaching. It's what turns me
> off about this project and will turn off others.
>
> We should be delivering content and software they can use at no cost.
> Beyond that, we should just shut up. Otherwise, we'll be labeled FOSS
> zealots and a lot of doors will close.
>
> 2. I have two the B1G1v1 machines. It's my understanding that I cannot run
> Windows XP on them. Am I wrong? I hope so.
>
> 3. I skipped a few e-mails when you folks were discussing Gnash vs. Flash.
> Was it decided that Adobe's Flash license was too restrictive to use?
>
> 4. Last I looked, Sugar did not run natively on WinXP. Is that still the
> case? Is there any desire for Sugar to have a native XP version?
>
> James Shields
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olpc-philippines-bounces at lists.laptop.org
> [mailto:olpc-philippines-bounces at lists.laptop.org]On Behalf Of Jerome
> Gotangco
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:02 PM
> To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots
> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Stallman and OLPC
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Mj Mendoza IV <mjmendoza at ymail.com>
> wrote:
> > Yes, I might sound RMS fanatic here but I believe in what RMS believes,
> and I can't force you to believe what I believed in -- evidences shows it
> anyway.
>
> Then going forward, let's do something here, as these threads are
> needless and they digging on past events and philosophies don't get
> any work done - they are a good read though :-)
>
> 1.) Get yourself to use free software more frequently if not
> exclusively and see how the current education system can benefit to
> it. We should basically practice what we preach. There has been a
> current thread on -devel regarding using Sugar exclusively to be able
> to see areas of improvement that can be done from development early
> before deployment happens. This is basically what we call "eating your
> own dog food."
>
> 2.) OLPC has not done anything official regarding Windows on the XO-1
> machine, and the upcoming G1G1v2 actually will have the 8.2.0 release
> (or is it 8.2.1, can't recall) which is expected to come out next
> week. It's possible to test this with any computer now and testing and
> reporting back is really encouraged.
>
> 3.) Gnash needs a lot of love (and testing) and it supports Ogg.
> Vorbis works. I'm not sure with Theora and Speex. Then let's see what
> works with Gnash and what does not and submit it upstream.
>
> 4.) Add more here...
>
>
> --
> Jerome G.
>
> Website: http://www.gotangco.com
> Blog: http://engage.wordpress.com
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