[Olpc-open] Olpc-open Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
Jay Gassman
jdgassman at gmail.com
Tue Jan 22 06:51:45 EST 2008
Does anyone know how to donate the XO I received back to OLPC?--JDG
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> 1. Re: [OLPC library] Suggestion for Terms of Use for content
> (Edward Cherlin)
> 2. Re: [OLPC library] Suggestion for Terms of Use for content
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> 3. Re: [OLPC library] Suggestion for Terms of Use for content
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> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:59:49 -0800
> From: "Edward Cherlin" <echerlin at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Olpc-open] [OLPC library] Suggestion for Terms of Use
> for content
> To: "Seth Woodworth" <seth at isforinsects.com>
> Cc: Library-OLPC <library at lists.laptop.org>, olpc-open
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> On Jan 19, 2008 7:32 PM, Seth Woodworth <seth at isforinsects.com> wrote:
> > We need a system to categorize our data like in your links Carol, and I
> > agree that the current state of the wiki is pretty bad. But if you look
> at
> > projects like Wiki-Commons, or free-reading, a wiki *can* be a lot
> better
> > organized. We just don't have enough dedicated and informed people to
> fix
> > the wiki. Information doesn't spread well yet.
>
> One of the problems I see is that OLPC has not hired the staff of
> technical writers proposed in the autumn. Tradition holds that this is
> because geeks don't believe in documentation, ;-> as witness man
> pages, %-[ but it is clear that there are other reasons for the
> disarray at OLPC more generally. (I also hear, indirectly, that there
> are people at MIT's Sloan School of Management who would like to help,
> but somehow feel that they must be asked first. I don't know how true
> that is, but asking couldn't hurt.) The position of Documentation Lead
> has been on the Job page for months, but nobody has been hired, and in
> fact Kim Quirk told me that a decision had been made not to hire any
> tech writers at that time.
>
> More volunteers would help. A way for the volunteers to get organized
> would help. Is there an official Volunteer Coordinator (aka
> Cat-Herder-in-Chief)? I assume not. It wouldn't have to be a paid
> position, to start, although I think that OLPC has been foolish in not
> hiring more organizers, and people for a number of other functions.
>
> Even a place to sign up, with some indication of the greatest felt
> needs, would help. The first step would be to restructure the
> Volunteering page, and having somebody volunteer to keep it current.
> We need to discuss what else exists and what information sources there
> are before we can have a proper idea of how this page should be
> organized.
>
> We have volunteers for
>
> * Development, with repository and bug tracking
> * Localization, with Pootle
> * Documentation ??
> * Wiki reorganization ??
> * Content librarianship ?? Needs matrix organization by document and
> language, at least, with license management.
>
> I don't know whether anybody is doing
>
> * Legal ?? There are innumerable restrictions on what can be published
> in various countries, with religion and politics being two of the top
> restricted categories. Somebody has to go over these requirements with
> experts from the ministries concerned. Also we need a
> country-by-country analysis of import laws that would affect the
> laptop and its contents and accessories, and government contracting
> and purchasing laws and regulations. (My father used to do this sort
> of thing for getting insurance policies approved in 50 states by 50
> different Insurance Commissioners.) What are the differences between
> Common Law countries and Napoleonic Code countries? What other systems
> are used in multiple countries? What treaties and treaty organizations
> affect these issues?
> * Recruiting ?? There is no shortage of people with the skills we
> need, and many of them have the available time and inclination. We
> need to reach out to them.
> * Country tracking ??? None of this is on the Wiki, except in a
> conjectural state. Somebody needs to monitor the state of negotiations
> with each prospect country, and provide guidance to the volunteers on
> languages to target for localization and a number of other matters.
>
> Some kinds of information need to be in a repository or database, not
> just a Wiki, where organization has to be created and maintained
> manually.
>
> What else?
>
> Well, Earth Treasury is separately recruiting artists, musicians,
> sound engineers, filmmakers, linguists, and others to aid the children
> in recording their heritages and publishing them to the world. Also
> people in business, and every adjunct profession, to help the children
> go into business together. And other things. None of that is within
> the OLPC mission. Should it be?
>
> Oh, and the children need to have a place to connect around the world.
>
> > On Jan 19, 2008 6:04 PM, Carol Lerche <cafl at msbit.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Seth, sorry for sending this once to you and then to the list. On
> > reflection I felt it should go to the list as well.
> > >
> > >
> > > Truly the wiki is NOT the best way to organize content such as the
> > activities page.
> > >
> > > Yes, the countries will be the arbiters of taste as to what is shipped
> on
> > each of their xo's but what about the next step?
> > >
> > > Here are examples of completely different way to organize this type of
> > content (not very beautiful but quite a lot more functional than just a
> > list):
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.cmsmatrix.org/matrix/cms-matrix?func=search
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > > http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search
> > >
> > > I think we need a search by age/grade level, subject matter,
> localization,
> > countries using, minimum build requirement, maturity/bugginess, tag
> (where
> > an app could have multiple tags that were optional and possibly
> pejorative!)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The current activity page is pretty hard to use -- in the computer
> > science/database world I think we could term it a "heap".
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Carol
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> --
> Edward Cherlin
> End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:49:58 -0500
> From: ffm <ffm at intserverror.com>
> Subject: Re: [Olpc-open] [OLPC library] Suggestion for Terms of Use
> for content
> To: "Edward Cherlin" <echerlin at gmail.com>
> Cc: Library-OLPC <library at lists.laptop.org>, olpc-open
> <olpc-open at lists.laptop.org>
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> On Jan 20, 2008 1:59 AM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > More volunteers would help. A way for the volunteers to get organized
> > would help. Is there an official Volunteer Coordinator (aka
> > Cat-Herder-in-Chief)? I assume not. It wouldn't have to be a paid
> > position, to start, although I think that OLPC has been foolish in not
> > hiring more organizers, and people for a number of other functions.
> >
> Actualy, there _is_ a volunteer coordinater, Adam Holt (holt AT laptop),
> and
> IIRC, it is a paid position. Feel free to email him if you would like to
> help out.
>
> > The first step would be to restructure the
> > Volunteering page, and having somebody volunteer to keep it current.
>
> Which is why it is a wiki. (see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOFIXIT )
>
> >
> > We need to discuss what else exists and what information sources there
> > are before we can have a proper idea of how this page should be
> > organized.
> >
> > We have volunteers for
> >
> > * Development, with repository and bug tracking
> > * Localization, with Pootle
> > * Documentation ??
>
> And paid employees.
>
> >
> > * Wiki reorganization ??
>
> Yep. Anyone can just join.
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> From: ffm <ffm at intserverror.com>
> Subject: Re: [Olpc-open] [OLPC library] Suggestion for Terms of Use
> for content
> To: "Carol Lerche" <cafl at msbit.com>
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> On Jan 20, 2008 12:02 AM, Carol Lerche <cafl at msbit.com> wrote:
>
> > The problem with the page you reference is that it is static. If I go
> to
> > look for a selection of a large collection, I can't ask that only a
> > pertinent subset be shown. One possibility is that the entire activity
> set
> > be left in the wiki and the dev site be used to host a more dynamic,
> > database backed implementation, which no doubt Trak is another instance
> of.
> >
>
> If you mean by "static" that it cannot be sorted by item etc.
> automagicaly,
> there is actualy a "Up/Down" button that sorts by name in a spesific
> column.
>
> -ffm
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