Does anyone know how to donate the XO I received back to OLPC?--JDG <br><br>
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<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:59:49 -0800<br>From: "Edward Cherlin" <<a href="mailto:echerlin@gmail.com">echerlin@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Olpc-open] [OLPC library] Suggestion for Terms of Use
<br> for content<br>To: "Seth Woodworth" <<a href="mailto:seth@isforinsects.com">seth@isforinsects.com</a>><br>Cc: Library-OLPC <<a href="mailto:library@lists.laptop.org">library@lists.laptop.org
</a>>, olpc-open<br> <<a href="mailto:olpc-open@lists.laptop.org">olpc-open@lists.laptop.org</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:e574f6eb0801192259m15c0e51exe70938740f7f4524@mail.gmail.com">
e574f6eb0801192259m15c0e51exe70938740f7f4524@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br><br>On Jan 19, 2008 7:32 PM, Seth Woodworth <<a href="mailto:seth@isforinsects.com">seth@isforinsects.com
</a>> wrote:<br>> We need a system to categorize our data like in your links Carol, and I<br>> agree that the current state of the wiki is pretty bad. But if you look at<br>> projects like Wiki-Commons, or free-reading, a wiki *can* be a lot better
<br>> organized. We just don't have enough dedicated and informed people to fix<br>> the wiki. Information doesn't spread well yet.<br><br>One of the problems I see is that OLPC has not hired the staff of<br>
technical writers proposed in the autumn. Tradition holds that this is<br>because geeks don't believe in documentation, ;-> as witness man<br>pages, %-[ but it is clear that there are other reasons for the<br>disarray at OLPC more generally. (I also hear, indirectly, that there
<br>are people at MIT's Sloan School of Management who would like to help,<br>but somehow feel that they must be asked first. I don't know how true<br>that is, but asking couldn't hurt.) The position of Documentation Lead
<br>has been on the Job page for months, but nobody has been hired, and in<br>fact Kim Quirk told me that a decision had been made not to hire any<br>tech writers at that time.<br><br>More volunteers would help. A way for the volunteers to get organized
<br>would help. Is there an official Volunteer Coordinator (aka<br>Cat-Herder-in-Chief)? I assume not. It wouldn't have to be a paid<br>position, to start, although I think that OLPC has been foolish in not<br>hiring more organizers, and people for a number of other functions.
<br><br>Even a place to sign up, with some indication of the greatest felt<br>needs, would help. The first step would be to restructure the<br>Volunteering page, and having somebody volunteer to keep it current.<br>We need to discuss what else exists and what information sources there
<br>are before we can have a proper idea of how this page should be<br>organized.<br><br>We have volunteers for<br><br>* Development, with repository and bug tracking<br>* Localization, with Pootle<br>* Documentation ??<br>
* Wiki reorganization ??<br>* Content librarianship ?? Needs matrix organization by document and<br>language, at least, with license management.<br><br>I don't know whether anybody is doing<br><br>* Legal ?? There are innumerable restrictions on what can be published
<br>in various countries, with religion and politics being two of the top<br>restricted categories. Somebody has to go over these requirements with<br>experts from the ministries concerned. Also we need a<br>country-by-country analysis of import laws that would affect the
<br>laptop and its contents and accessories, and government contracting<br>and purchasing laws and regulations. (My father used to do this sort<br>of thing for getting insurance policies approved in 50 states by 50<br>different Insurance Commissioners.) What are the differences between
<br>Common Law countries and Napoleonic Code countries? What other systems<br>are used in multiple countries? What treaties and treaty organizations<br>affect these issues?<br>* Recruiting ?? There is no shortage of people with the skills we
<br>need, and many of them have the available time and inclination. We<br>need to reach out to them.<br>* Country tracking ??? None of this is on the Wiki, except in a<br>conjectural state. Somebody needs to monitor the state of negotiations
<br>with each prospect country, and provide guidance to the volunteers on<br>languages to target for localization and a number of other matters.<br><br>Some kinds of information need to be in a repository or database, not
<br>just a Wiki, where organization has to be created and maintained<br>manually.<br><br>What else?<br><br>Well, Earth Treasury is separately recruiting artists, musicians,<br>sound engineers, filmmakers, linguists, and others to aid the children
<br>in recording their heritages and publishing them to the world. Also<br>people in business, and every adjunct profession, to help the children<br>go into business together. And other things. None of that is within<br>the OLPC mission. Should it be?
<br><br>Oh, and the children need to have a place to connect around the world.<br><br>> On Jan 19, 2008 6:04 PM, Carol Lerche <<a href="mailto:cafl@msbit.com">cafl@msbit.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> ><br>
> ><br>> > Seth, sorry for sending this once to you and then to the list. On<br>> reflection I felt it should go to the list as well.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Truly the wiki is NOT the best way to organize content such as the
<br>> activities page.<br>> ><br>> > Yes, the countries will be the arbiters of taste as to what is shipped on<br>> each of their xo's but what about the next step?<br>> ><br>> > Here are examples of completely different way to organize this type of
<br>> content (not very beautiful but quite a lot more functional than just a<br>> list):<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > <a href="http://www.cmsmatrix.org/matrix/cms-matrix?func=search" target="_blank">http://www.cmsmatrix.org/matrix/cms-matrix?func=search
</a><br>> ><br>> > or<br>> ><br>> > <a href="http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search" target="_blank">http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search</a><br>> ><br>> > I think we need a search by age/grade level, subject matter, localization,
<br>> countries using, minimum build requirement, maturity/bugginess, tag (where<br>> an app could have multiple tags that were optional and possibly pejorative!)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>
> > The current activity page is pretty hard to use -- in the computer<br>> science/database world I think we could term it a "heap".<br>> ><br>> > Regards,<br>> ><br>> > Carol<br>
> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Library mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:Library@lists.laptop.org">Library@lists.laptop.org</a><br>> >
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<br> for content<br>To: "Edward Cherlin" <<a href="mailto:echerlin@gmail.com">echerlin@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: Library-OLPC <<a href="mailto:library@lists.laptop.org">library@lists.laptop.org</a>
>, olpc-open<br> <<a href="mailto:olpc-open@lists.laptop.org">olpc-open@lists.laptop.org</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:20862be60801200649r62bac55avbee90b6d0bb8ad98@mail.gmail.com">20862be60801200649r62bac55avbee90b6d0bb8ad98@mail.gmail.com
</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>On Jan 20, 2008 1:59 AM, Edward Cherlin <<a href="mailto:echerlin@gmail.com">echerlin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> More volunteers would help. A way for the volunteers to get organized
<br>> would help. Is there an official Volunteer Coordinator (aka<br>> Cat-Herder-in-Chief)? I assume not. It wouldn't have to be a paid<br>> position, to start, although I think that OLPC has been foolish in not
<br>> hiring more organizers, and people for a number of other functions.<br>><br>Actualy, there _is_ a volunteer coordinater, Adam Holt (holt AT laptop), and<br>IIRC, it is a paid position. Feel free to email him if you would like to
<br>help out.<br><br>> The first step would be to restructure the<br>> Volunteering page, and having somebody volunteer to keep it current.<br><br>Which is why it is a wiki. (see<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOFIXIT" target="_blank">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOFIXIT</a> )<br><br>><br>> We need to discuss what else exists and what information sources there<br>> are before we can have a proper idea of how this page should be<br>> organized.
<br>><br>> We have volunteers for<br>><br>> * Development, with repository and bug tracking<br>> * Localization, with Pootle<br>> * Documentation ??<br><br>And paid employees.<br><br>><br>> * Wiki reorganization ??
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ffm@intserverror.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Olpc-open] [OLPC library] Suggestion for Terms of Use<br> for content<br>To: "Carol Lerche" <<a href="mailto:cafl@msbit.com">cafl@msbit.com</a>><br>Cc: Library-OLPC <
<a href="mailto:library@lists.laptop.org">library@lists.laptop.org</a>>, olpc-open<br> <<a href="mailto:olpc-open@lists.laptop.org">olpc-open@lists.laptop.org</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:20862be60801200651y4f462e43m9cef788b3ab2c6c3@mail.gmail.com">
20862be60801200651y4f462e43m9cef788b3ab2c6c3@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>On Jan 20, 2008 12:02 AM, Carol Lerche <<a href="mailto:cafl@msbit.com">cafl@msbit.com</a>
> wrote:<br><br>> The problem with the page you reference is that it is static. If I go to<br>> look for a selection of a large collection, I can't ask that only a<br>> pertinent subset be shown. One possibility is that the entire activity set
<br>> be left in the wiki and the dev site be used to host a more dynamic,<br>> database backed implementation, which no doubt Trak is another instance of.<br>><br><br>If you mean by "static" that it cannot be sorted by item etc. automagicaly,
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