[Localization] [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, James

My apologies. I am new to this and have made a lot of mistakes. However, 
I don't believe it is fair to accuse me of 'hiding' anything.

As you know following my first meeting in February, I posted a 
conglomeration of the ideas thrown out as to the position 
(http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Proposal).

At the March meeting, the I18n position was tabled for the April meeting.

At the April meeting, the item was again tabled with a specific request 
to write up the job description and a list of those on my informal 
mailing list. I did that the following morning by writing and posting 
the page (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Manager) which has 
evolved to the Translation-Community_Manager).

I sent a notification to the SLOBs list and to my informal list. This 
was a serious error. This email should have been sent to iaep and 
localization, at least. At the time I was responding to a task assigned 
at the meeting and so used the SLOBs list. I wasn't aware that this list 
is secret.

On Monday and Tuesday, I was involved in a personal commitment which 
gave Walter and Adam an opportunity to edit the document. I also fixed 
some typos.

At Walter's request, I made the formal motions. Those I believe should 
go to the SLOBs list. However, Adam and Caryl requested that the motions 
be posted on the iaep and localization lists which I did.

Certainly none of these snafus reflect in any way on Chris Leonard or 
his leadership.

Tony

On 04/06/2016 03:25 PM, James Cameron wrote:
> I'm not sure the translation team wants to be led in that way, and I'd
> not like to lose volunteers.  We have so few.
>
> The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
> mailing list caused this situation; Wiki technology is a bad match for
> decision making bodies unless clear processes are used.  There was
> nothing in the history of the page to indicate it was part of a
> motion.
>
> I'd like to see some more transparency.
>
> On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 02:58:21PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
>> My point is that the motion was based on the wording of the document
>> at the time it was made. Amendments after the motion is made are
>> really out of order.
>> Luckily, the Wiki technology lets readers see the document as it was
>> at the time of the motion.
>>
>> Naturally, the intent is that the TCM will lead the translation
>> team. My view is prejudiced, but I thought the wording made that
>> very clear.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On 04/06/2016 02:20 PM, James Cameron wrote:
>>> I take it to mean that you intend that the translation team be
>>> eclipsed by the translation community manager?  That's unfortunate.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 01:38:46PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
>>>> The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 7:25pm
>>>> April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job description made
>>>> after the formal motion was submitted and seconded should not be considered in
>>>> votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board thinks changes are needed before
>>>> the motions can be approved, new motions can be made.
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>> On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Hello,
>>>>
>>>>      I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, as
>>>>      follows:
>>>>
>>>>      In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what the
>>>>      page was about:
>>>>      This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs.
>>>>
>>>>      More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous
>>>>      structures:
>>>>      This delegation is not meant to eclipse [1]Translation Team, its [2]
>>>>      coordinators, or any other party interested in helping out with
>>>>      localization.
>>>>      I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at all.
>>>>
>>>>      Regards,
>>>>      Sebastian
>>>>
>>>>      El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:
>>>>
>>>>          I submitted motions to the Board as follows:
>>>>
>>>>          I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
>>>>          Translation-Community Manager as described at [3][4]http://
>>>>          wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
>>>>
>>>>          I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
>>>>          immediately.
>>>>
>>>>          At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:
>>>>
>>>>          I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
>>>>          $1000 per month.
>>>>
>>>>          I would like to call for seconds to these motions.
>>>>
>>>>          Tony
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>>>>
>>>> References:
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team
>>>> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Coordinator
>>>> [3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
>>>> [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
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>>>> [6] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
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