[OLPC library] [Olpc-open] Nortel LearniT animations (Seth Woodworth)

[Samuel Klein]

Thank you, Charles.

Bryan, to your original point:
> There are a lot of great education activities done in Flash and
> their # will only increase simply because it is very easy to
> develop animations using flash. Check out
> www.eshikshaindia.in for more great learning
> animations. Those did not work w/ Gnash when I tried it last month.

We /do/ want people making great education activities to make them
compatible with open source Flash players, now that Gnash is becoming a
viable instance of one.  You don't have time to convert them youreslf, but
the people who made them do, if they are maintaining their work.

We also want to make customization of machines in a local deployment
easier.  I am not sure that your suggestion of adding a symlink to all
builds that points to a subdirectory of /home/olpc for mozilla plugins is
the way to go, but if you have specific requests of that nature you should
file a ticket with the request.  That seems to have been lost in the email
exchange.

SJ

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:38 AM, Charles Merriam <charles.merriam at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I think I added all the substance from this thread into the wiki
> (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Gnash).  It's late, so I would apprecate
> Rob et al doing a quick read.   Also, can someone add more information
> about the specific gnash version/codecs being installed on which XOs
> and confirm that the primary issue in developing Flash for Gnash is
> picking open codecs?
>
> Have a great day!  or evening!
>
> Charles Merriam
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Rob Savoye <rob at welcomehome.org> wrote:
> > Steve Holton wrote:
> >
> >  > Gnash will *never* be fully compatible with Flash because the closer
> >  > Gnash gets to being a viable free Flash replacement, the more
> >  > incentive there is for Adobe to change the Flash specification in a
> >  > way to break compatibility.
> >
> >   They've already changed the format in a big, hence all our hard work
> >  to reverse engineer SWF v9. ActionScript 3 is finally ECMAScript
> >  compatible, same as JavaScript, so I doubt that'll change much in the
> >  future. Also all the changes in SWF v9 were performance oriented, and
> >  that required a new VM. Gnash now does support the SWF v9 format
> >  changes, that was easy. It's implementing the ActionScript class
> >  libraries that's much of the work left. SWF has evolved very slowly, so
> >  I don't feel we'll be chasing Adobe for long.
> >
> >
> >  > Two decades in the Microsoft format wars should have taught that
> >  > lesson to everyone by now. Look how long (and how much) it's taken
> ODF
> >  > to get where it's at.
> >
> >   Yes, but as far as I can tell, OpenOffice works well enough with M$
> >  Office, compatibility wise, that I haven't had to use M$ Office for
> many
> >  years. Not everything converts in OO 100% all the time, but what
> doesn't
> >  work I can easily live with.
> >
> >
> >  > OTOH, the XO offers us an opportunity to create a new standard among
> >  > an audience which has no investment in the old.  But this is a
> limited
> >  > opportunity.
> >
> >   New standards still don't solve the problem of playing existing
> >  content (often proprietary), which is what I though we were discussing.
> >  Also playing SWF files in the future is not something we worry about,
> >  since that will only effect new content, which doesn't exist yet. :-)
> >
> >   My point is that we want people to work with us. Most of the time all
> >  I hear is "Gnash sucks, it's not 100% compatible yet". We know that
> >  already... What we want to do is identify what "sucks", produce test
> >  cases, and then fix the problems. Bitching about the problem and
> dumping
> >  Gnash does not solve the problem, it merely ignores it. It's the easy
> >  way out.
> >
> >   Yes, it can take some time for an end user with a problem to work with
> >  us till we identify what is wrong. As none of us can use the Adobe
> >  player due to clean room problems, it's our end users that help us work
> >  on testing compatibility. Many people have helped contribute to the
> >  development of Gnash merely by helping answer questions about what's
> >  wrong, and trying patches, and most of them were not professional
> engineers.
> >
> >   All we are asking for is help beyond just griping, and patience as our
> >  small team pushes forward.
> >
> >         - rob -
> >
> >
> >
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