[OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 24, Issue 12
Usha Gowri
usha.gowri at gmail.com
Tue Nov 4 13:02:53 EST 2008
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> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
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This will make it easier for a person like me to understand what is
happening!!
Here I go:
Please put your Skype id ( www.skype.com) and the good time to make a
con-call in the attached excel sheet.We will form a group-a group that
wants to take OLPC forward,a group that will form special interest groups
with in itself (SIG's)-that way we can handle multiple tasks simultaneously
Lets make ourselves real :-)))
Find attached a excel sheet-please fill it for our reference
Gowri
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: India Digest, Vol 24, Issue 11 (Usha Gowri)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:28:09 +0530
> From: "Usha Gowri" <usha.gowri at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 24, Issue 11
> To: india at lists.laptop.org
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> So is Marc "unsubscribed" or not.?
> If he is ,it should go immediately-because it will silence the already
> lurking members in this forum
> And censorship is deadly for any organisation.
>
> If not -end of story.
>
> Satish-I think most of us are on Skype .I am willing to take the
> responsibility of getting all of you for a conference on Skype.I think if
> we
> can get over our concerns most people can think forward.
> Satish,what say you?
> Gowri
>
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> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:55 PM, <india-request at lists.laptop.org> wrote:
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> > Today's Topics:
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> > 1. Re: "You have been unsubscribed from the India mailing list"
> > (Shikhar)
> > 2. Norms for all of us on this list.. (Satish Jha OLPC)
> > 3. Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the OLPC?and why I
> > dropped it . (Saswat Praharaj)
> > 4. Re: Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the OLPC?and why I
> > dropped it . (Walter Bender)
> > 5. Re: Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the OLPC?and why I
> > dropped it . (Satish Jha OLPC)
> > 6. Re: Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the OLPC?and why I
> > dropped it . (Walter Bender)
> > 7. Re: Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the OLPC?and why I
> > dropped it . (Satish Jha)
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:25:08 +0100
> > From: Shikhar <shikhar at schmizz.net>
> > Subject: Re: [OLPC India] "You have been unsubscribed from the India
> > mailing list"
> > To: Marc Valentin <mvalentin at oeuvredespains.org>
> > Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
> > Message-ID: <490F33F4.8070509 at schmizz.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Marc Valentin wrote:
> > > Yes, that is right, they finally unsubscribed me from India mailing
> list
> > !
> > > Why ? Because some of my questions are not "politically correct" I
> > > suppose... But why our questions should be "politically correct" ?
> > > Don't we deserve real answers from Satish/OLPC ? Is the truth so dark
> > > that it cannot be written in a message on the list ? I cannot imagine
> > > that.
> > > Can't we have our own opinion about how OLPC can help educate children
> > > ? Is it not understandable to care more about support, teachers
> > > training, curriculum, than the distribution of millions of XO ? Rigid
> > > ideology could ruin this project.
> > > For sometime, I will get my news from wiki.laptop.org and olpcnews.com
> > > and stop participating to this list.
> > > I was registered for more than a year.
> > > -marc-
> > > mvalentin AT oeuvredespains.org
> > >
> >
> > This is ridiculous. Marc has been asking questions a lot of us want to
> > know the answers to. If the India team does not have the answers, it's
> > better to just admit than flipflop about... as for unsubscribing him
> > from the list, that's outright censorship.
> >
> >
> > Shikhar
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:36:55 -0500
> > From: "Satish Jha OLPC" <satish at laptop.org>
> > Subject: [OLPC India] Norms for all of us on this list..
> > To: india at lists.laptop.org
> > Message-ID:
> > <6477369f0811030936w2b9cad15jc82863f42fd7314e at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > It has gone too far..
> >
> > No one was unsubscribed.. If he was how did he post the message?
> >
> > That said, I am of the opinion that anyone who is not positive should not
> > post messages. Anyone doing it twice may be removed.
> >
> > As regards the questions, each question has been answered. In case
> > something
> > has been missed, please itemize them and post them again rather than
> using
> > words like "ridiculous". Its entirely possible that your assumptions may
> be
> > unfounded.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Shikhar <shikhar at schmizz.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Marc Valentin wrote:
> > > > Yes, that is right, they finally unsubscribed me from India mailing
> > list
> > > !
> > > > Why ? Because some of my questions are not "politically correct" I
> > > > suppose... But why our questions should be "politically correct" ?
> > > > Don't we deserve real answers from Satish/OLPC ? Is the truth so dark
> > > > that it cannot be written in a message on the list ? I cannot imagine
> > > > that.
> > > > Can't we have our own opinion about how OLPC can help educate
> children
> > > > ? Is it not understandable to care more about support, teachers
> > > > training, curriculum, than the distribution of millions of XO ? Rigid
> > > > ideology could ruin this project.
> > > > For sometime, I will get my news from wiki.laptop.org and
> olpcnews.com
> > > > and stop participating to this list.
> > > > I was registered for more than a year.
> > > > -marc-
> > > > mvalentin AT oeuvredespains.org
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is ridiculous. Marc has been asking questions a lot of us want to
> > > know the answers to. If the India team does not have the answers, it's
> > > better to just admit than flipflop about... as for unsubscribing him
> > > from the list, that's outright censorship.
> > >
> > >
> > > Shikhar
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > India mailing list
> > > India at lists.laptop.org
> > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:33:18 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Saswat Praharaj <saswat_praharaj at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [OLPC India] Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the
> > OLPC?and why I dropped it .
> > To: india at lists.laptop.org
> > Message-ID: <188345.94517.qm at web33808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> >
> > http://www.bostonreview.net/BR33.6/stallman.php
> >
> >
> > Snip >>>.
> > The One Laptop Per Child project, launched by MIT professor Nicholas
> > Negroponte in 2003, was supposed to lead millions of children around
> > the world to information technology and freedom. The plans aimed for
> > low cost, enabling many children to use the machines, and free
> > software, so they would have freedom while using them. I thought it was
> > a good idea; I even planned to use one myself when I found in the
> > OLPC?s promise of free software a way to escape the proprietary startup
> > programs that all commercial laptops used.
> > But just as I
> > was switching to an OLPC, the project backed away from its commitment
> > to freedom and allowed the machine to become a platform for running
> > Windows, a non-free operating system.
> > What makes this
> > issue so important, and OLPC?s retreat from free software so
> > unfortunate, is that the ?free? in free software refers to freedom of
> > knowledge and action, not to price. A program (whatever job it does) is
> > free software if you, the user, have the four essential freedoms:
> > >>>>>>...
> >
> >
> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to
> > http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:02:13 -0500
> > From: "Walter Bender" <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the
> > OLPC?and why I dropped it .
> > To: "Saswat Praharaj" <saswat_praharaj at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
> > Message-ID:
> > <fd535e260811031502y44cfb720w8dec42b80a706ec1 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Sugar, the learning software environment on the OLPC XO-1 laptop and
> > that runs on almost any computer that runs GNU/Linux, is free software
> > and will always be free software. Learning demands freedom.
> >
> > -walter
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Saswat Praharaj
> > <saswat_praharaj at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > http://www.bostonreview.net/BR33.6/stallman.php
> > >
> > > Snip >>>.
> > >
> > > The One Laptop Per Child project, launched by MIT professor Nicholas
> > > Negroponte in 2003, was supposed to lead millions of children around
> the
> > > world to information technology and freedom. The plans aimed for low
> > cost,
> > > enabling many children to use the machines, and free software, so they
> > would
> > > have freedom while using them. I thought it was a good idea; I even
> > planned
> > > to use one myself when I found in the OLPC's promise of free software a
> > way
> > > to escape the proprietary startup programs that all commercial laptops
> > used.
> > >
> > > But just as I was switching to an OLPC, the project backed away from
> its
> > > commitment to freedom and allowed the machine to become a platform for
> > > running Windows, a non-free operating system.
> > >
> > > What makes this issue so important, and OLPC's retreat from free
> software
> > so
> > > unfortunate, is that the "free" in free software refers to freedom of
> > > knowledge and action, not to price. A program (whatever job it does) is
> > free
> > > software if you, the user, have the four essential freedoms:
> > >
> > >>>>>>>...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > India mailing list
> > > India at lists.laptop.org
> > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Walter Bender
> > Sugar Labs
> > http://www.sugarlabs.org
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:18:38 -0500
> > From: "Satish Jha OLPC" <satish at laptop.org>
> > Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the
> > OLPC?and why I dropped it .
> > To: india at lists.laptop.org
> > Message-ID:
> > <6477369f0811040218n342b56fame4930fb62150ab5c at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Richard Stallman has been trying to get his idea of "Free" accepted as he
> > would like for quite some time. He is a leader in his own right and has
> > energised a whole movement of "Free" software.
> >
> > However, XO is for children. Its for those who need to learn and are not
> > already the leaders of a movement, though I hope they will all have
> access
> > to the world that will make a potential leader out of everyone.
> >
> > My request is that these debates, important as they are, may not belong
> > here.
> >
> > This forum may be far more useful as a way to get the XO reach all those
> > who
> > need it rather than have ideological debates, which must go on at the
> right
> > places.
> >
> > Thanks mch.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Saswat Praharaj
> > <saswat_praharaj at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.bostonreview.net/BR33.6/stallman.php
> > >
> > > Snip >>>.
> > >
> > > The One Laptop Per Child project, launched by MIT professor Nicholas
> > > Negroponte in 2003, was supposed to lead millions of children around
> the
> > > world to information technology and freedom. The plans aimed for low
> > cost,
> > > enabling many children to use the machines, and free software, so they
> > would
> > > have freedom while using them. I thought it was a good idea; I even
> > planned
> > > to use one myself when I found in the OLPC's promise of free software a
> > way
> > > to escape the proprietary startup programs that all commercial laptops
> > used.
> > >
> > > But just as I was switching to an OLPC, the project backed away from
> its
> > > commitment to freedom and allowed the machine to become a platform for
> > > running Windows, a non-free operating system.
> > >
> > > What makes this issue so important, and OLPC's retreat from free
> software
> > > so unfortunate, is that the "free" in free software refers to freedom
> of
> > > knowledge and action, not to price. A program (whatever job it does) is
> > free
> > > software if you, the user, have the four essential freedoms:
> > >
> > > >>>>>>...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now<
> >
> http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_mail_2/*http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > India mailing list
> > > India at lists.laptop.org
> > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:53:55 -0500
> > From: "Walter Bender" <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the
> > OLPC?and why I dropped it .
> > To: "Satish Jha OLPC" <satish at laptop.org>
> > Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
> > Message-ID:
> > <fd535e260811040353x1d775f79i729741f9a721b790 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Q: Is this list more generally about enabling learning or is more
> > narrowly about enabling learning through the OLPC XO-1 hardware?
> >
> > regards.
> >
> > -walter
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Satish Jha OLPC <satish at laptop.org>
> wrote:
> > > Richard Stallman has been trying to get his idea of "Free" accepted as
> he
> > > would like for quite some time. He is a leader in his own right and has
> > > energised a whole movement of "Free" software.
> > >
> > > However, XO is for children. Its for those who need to learn and are
> not
> > > already the leaders of a movement, though I hope they will all have
> > access
> > > to the world that will make a potential leader out of everyone.
> > >
> > > My request is that these debates, important as they are, may not belong
> > > here.
> > >
> > > This forum may be far more useful as a way to get the XO reach all
> those
> > who
> > > need it rather than have ideological debates, which must go on at the
> > right
> > > places.
> > >
> > > Thanks mch.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Saswat Praharaj <
> > saswat_praharaj at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.bostonreview.net/BR33.6/stallman.php
> > >>
> > >> Snip >>>.
> > >>
> > >> The One Laptop Per Child project, launched by MIT professor Nicholas
> > >> Negroponte in 2003, was supposed to lead millions of children around
> the
> > >> world to information technology and freedom. The plans aimed for low
> > cost,
> > >> enabling many children to use the machines, and free software, so they
> > would
> > >> have freedom while using them. I thought it was a good idea; I even
> > planned
> > >> to use one myself when I found in the OLPC's promise of free software
> a
> > way
> > >> to escape the proprietary startup programs that all commercial laptops
> > used.
> > >>
> > >> But just as I was switching to an OLPC, the project backed away from
> its
> > >> commitment to freedom and allowed the machine to become a platform for
> > >> running Windows, a non-free operating system.
> > >>
> > >> What makes this issue so important, and OLPC's retreat from free
> > software
> > >> so unfortunate, is that the "free" in free software refers to freedom
> of
> > >> knowledge and action, not to price. A program (whatever job it does)
> is
> > free
> > >> software if you, the user, have the four essential freedoms:
> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> India mailing list
> > >> India at lists.laptop.org
> > >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > India mailing list
> > > India at lists.laptop.org
> > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Walter Bender
> > Sugar Labs
> > http://www.sugarlabs.org
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:25:09 -0500
> > From: "Satish Jha" <satish at laptop.org>
> > Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Richard Stallman - Why I switched to the
> > OLPC?and why I dropped it .
> > To: "Walter Bender" <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> > Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
> > Message-ID:
> > <a7da96740811040425o4b099058o197e1aef35d33f63 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Walter,
> >
> > Posed this way, the only answer possible is : enabling learning using XO
> > and
> > its versions in general. Broadly speaking, in the context of OLPC and, in
> > particular, its application in India.
> >
> > More general questions that in the opinion of the participants aid that
> > process should be welcome as well. You are a co-founder of OLPC and I
> would
> > think what you may consider appropriate is clearly right.
> >
> > Thanks and regards
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Q: Is this list more generally about enabling learning or is more
> > > narrowly about enabling learning through the OLPC XO-1 hardware?
> > >
> > > regards.
> > >
> > > -walter
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Satish Jha OLPC <satish at laptop.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > Richard Stallman has been trying to get his idea of "Free" accepted
> as
> > he
> > > > would like for quite some time. He is a leader in his own right and
> has
> > > > energised a whole movement of "Free" software.
> > > >
> > > > However, XO is for children. Its for those who need to learn and are
> > not
> > > > already the leaders of a movement, though I hope they will all have
> > > access
> > > > to the world that will make a potential leader out of everyone.
> > > >
> > > > My request is that these debates, important as they are, may not
> belong
> > > > here.
> > > >
> > > > This forum may be far more useful as a way to get the XO reach all
> > those
> > > who
> > > > need it rather than have ideological debates, which must go on at the
> > > right
> > > > places.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks mch.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Saswat Praharaj <
> > > saswat_praharaj at yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.bostonreview.net/BR33.6/stallman.php
> > > >>
> > > >> Snip >>>.
> > > >>
> > > >> The One Laptop Per Child project, launched by MIT professor Nicholas
> > > >> Negroponte in 2003, was supposed to lead millions of children around
> > the
> > > >> world to information technology and freedom. The plans aimed for low
> > > cost,
> > > >> enabling many children to use the machines, and free software, so
> they
> > > would
> > > >> have freedom while using them. I thought it was a good idea; I even
> > > planned
> > > >> to use one myself when I found in the OLPC's promise of free
> software
> > a
> > > way
> > > >> to escape the proprietary startup programs that all commercial
> laptops
> > > used.
> > > >>
> > > >> But just as I was switching to an OLPC, the project backed away from
> > its
> > > >> commitment to freedom and allowed the machine to become a platform
> for
> > > >> running Windows, a non-free operating system.
> > > >>
> > > >> What makes this issue so important, and OLPC's retreat from free
> > > software
> > > >> so unfortunate, is that the "free" in free software refers to
> freedom
> > of
> > > >> knowledge and action, not to price. A program (whatever job it does)
> > is
> > > free
> > > >> software if you, the user, have the four essential freedoms:
> > > >>
> > > >> >>>>>>...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ________________________________
> > > >> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> India mailing list
> > > >> India at lists.laptop.org
> > > >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > India mailing list
> > > > India at lists.laptop.org
> > > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Walter Bender
> > > Sugar Labs
> > > http://www.sugarlabs.org
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> Gowri
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> "The world is full of abundance and opportunity, but >far too many people
> come to the fountain of life with a sieve instead of a tank >car... a
> teaspoon instead of a steam shovel. They expect little and as a result
> >they
> get little." ~ Ben Sweetland
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>
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"The world is full of abundance and opportunity, but >far too many people
come to the fountain of life with a sieve instead of a tank >car... a
teaspoon instead of a steam shovel. They expect little and as a result >they
get little." ~ Ben Sweetland
"Everything is either an opportunity to grow or an obstacle to keep you from
growing. You get to choose."Dr. Wayne Dyer
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