[OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 23, Issue 11

[Marc Valentin]

As far as I know, we are not talking about South Korea, Pakistan,
Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ethiopia or Peru here. This is about India...
in 2008 !
As I see it, E-choupal is not a development project, it was created by
ITC Limited, "one of India's foremost private sector companies with a
market capitalisation of nearly US $ 18 billion and a turnover of over
US $ 5.1 Billion" and it is purely commercial.

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Marc Valentin
> <mvalentin at oeuvredespains.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Satish Jha OLPC <satish at laptop.org> wrote:
>>> While I do not agree with nearly any of the observations made below and am
>>> witnessing how things can be and are being changed, I would prefer some
>>> other members of this group to take it forward.
>>
>> Satish, there is no point to agree or not, you should acknowledge that
>> most of the people of this list have a better understanding of India
>> (the real one) than you have.
>
> That seems a strange claim to me. What do you know about Satish's
> experience? What is yours?
>
>> Did you ever spend some days living in a
>> village among the people ?
>
> I have. Peace Corps, South Korea, 1967, when they were economically
> far behind where India is now, and living under a military
> dictatorship somewhat like Pakistan's today, with occasional
> cross-border attacks from the North. A good friend of my best friend
> there died from a grenade tossed on a bus by a failed North Korean
> assassination team.
>
>> Do you know what is their budget to live
>> (survive) for one month ? Do you know how they live ?
>
> Yes. Subsistence farmers and day laborers made less than a dollar a
> day at that time. Peace Corps Volunteers lived fairly comfortably on
> about $6/day.
>
>>The XO should be
>> seen as what it is : a nice tool. It is not a revolution.
>
> This turns out not to be the case. Unless you think that
>
> o Grameen Phone was not revolutionary in expanding telephone service
> from cities only to nearly all of Bangladesh, and attracting several
> billion dollars in hard investment money.
>
> o Or that Overstock.com was not certified by the government of
> Afghanistan as the largest employer in the country, even with no
> physical presence, because tens of thousands of people could sell art
> and craft items online, receiving more than 60% of the final selling
> price. Sellers did not need to own a computer, but just had to know
> somebody who knew somebody who had a computer.
>
> o Or that the ITC e-choupal project has significantly increased farm
> income in tens of thousands of villages of India by placing one
> computer per village to give them access to the Chicago Board of Trade
> soybean prices and other market information, and buy based on world
> prices.
>
> o Or that the XO is not revolutionizing education in Peru and
> Ethiopia, as stated in published articles and formal studies. See, for
> example, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Academic_papers and
> http://radian.org/notebook/astounded-in-arahuay.
>
> And so on through a multitude of other examples.
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