[OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 17, Issue 11
amit gogna
amitg at laptop.org
Tue Apr 29 03:29:50 EDT 2008
Here is the link for you to know more about deployments happening in
Bangalore.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC-Bangalore
Amit
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Usha Gowri <usha.gowri at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok
> What might be the time line?
> I am in Bangalore and would like to work in North Karnataka and parts of
> Nilgris.
> who are your contacts in Bangalore and how can we network?
> Rgds
> Gowri
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:02 AM, amit gogna <amitg at laptop.org> wrote:
>
> > Sorry for the late reply was travelling.
> >
> > .but how can we put processes in place?
> >
> >
> > We are already trying to put a process in place ...it would allow
> > anyone across the country take up the OLPC project and we would provide all
> > the suppport for doing so and provide required directions
> >
> >
> > > How can I contribute?
> >
> >
> > I am not sure what part of south India are you located. But surely the
> > good news is we are starting a OLPC Project there in Bangalore. I'm sure you
> > would have so much to contribute.
> >
> >
> > > Is there anyone here in South India so we can form a group and get
> > > some attention?
> >
> >
> > Yes last week I was in Bangalore and tried getting in touch with LUG
> > there. Hopefully I intend to contact all LUGs in all the states . May be we
> > can have some conference with LUG of each state.This could help to form a
> > support community in all respects.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:42 PM, <india-request at lists.laptop.org>
> > > wrote:
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> > > > Today's Topics:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Re: Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference on 18th
> > > > April, 2008 (Sameer Verma)
> > > > 2. Re: Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference on 18th
> > > > April, 2008 (Marc Valentin)
> > > > 3. Re: Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference on 18th
> > > > April, 2008 (Sameer Verma)
> > > > 4. Re: Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference on 18th
> > > > April, 2008 (Puneet Goel)
> > > > 5. Re: Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India Conference on 18th
> > > > April, 2008 (Sameer Verma)
> > > > 6. OLPC - Cowdung/Biogas power - Kyoto Protocol logic (Sven AERTS)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 1
> > > > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:11:34 -0700
> > > > From: Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu>
> > > > Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India
> > > > Conference
> > > > on 18th April, 2008
> > > > To: india at lists.laptop.org
> > > > Message-ID: <480B9566.8010706 at sfsu.edu>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > > >
> > > > amit gogna wrote:
> > > > > Following is the link giving details of OLPC India Conference :-
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_India/Conference_calls#Minutes_of_Meeting
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > India mailing list
> > > > > India at lists.laptop.org
> > > > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> > > > >
> > > > A few points that I'd like to add:
> > > >
> > > > The conference call sound quality was a bit of a problem, although I
> > > > don't think this was a problem with the setup. It sounded like
> > > > someone
> > > > on the conference call was sitting in traffic...way too much traffic
> > > > noise. It was also suggested that we could perhaps look for a hybrid
> > > > conference call setup which would support dial-in and VoIP calls. I
> > > > know
> > > > that Gizmo supports such a feature, but AFAIK the call in number is
> > > > a
> > > > US-based number. See
> > > > http://gizmo5.com/pc/products/features/conference-calling/ for
> > > > details.
> > > >
> > > > In terms of the upcoming installs or pilots in India, I would
> > > > reiterate
> > > > that interested people and parties should look to other pilots for
> > > > "lessons learned". Nepal and Pakistan come to mind, given their
> > > > proximity. I've seen a lot more public info on the Nepal pilot,
> > > > though.
> > > > http://www.olenepal.org/ There are several issues that can be
> > > > categorized into hardware, software, localization, repairs,
> > > > training,
> > > > etc. Many of these will be largely the same for most deployments, so
> > > > no
> > > > reinvention is necessary. Some issues will of course be specific for
> > > > deployments in different parts of India, and those will have to be
> > > > addressed on a case by case basis.
> > > >
> > > > Another item of concern is the level of awareness. I've talked to
> > > > people
> > > > at a couple of different LUGs in India about the project, and I got
> > > > a
> > > > sense if indifference from them. Perhaps we need a stronger push to
> > > > connect LUGs into different OLPC projects. LUGs tend to have goals
> > > > similar to what OLPC has. LUGs aren't really about Linux or FOSS as
> > > > much
> > > > as they are about education! This was my suggestion to Gaurav (from
> > > > Punjab University) on the phone call. Gaurav's group at Punjab
> > > > University is doing interesting things in reaching out to the
> > > > communities. Gaurav: Can we hear from you on some of those
> > > > activities?
> > > > Perhaps pointers to slides, blogs, etc.?
> > > >
> > > > LUGs all over India can get involved and spread the word. They can
> > > > go
> > > > out to the local communities and improve awareness. There is also a
> > > > perception that if you don't have an XO, you can't really do much.
> > > > This
> > > > is not the case if you are using a live CD though. The current batch
> > > > of
> > > > Live CDs (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveBackup_XO-LiveCD) provide a
> > > > large proportion of the functionality that one would see on an XO.
> > > > Perhaps this avenue should be explored more. After all, its really a
> > > > Fedora-derived distro. You could very well run an entire classroom
> > > > of
> > > > these LiveCDs on regular desktops and still avail the features of
> > > > Sugar!
> > > >
> > > > Then we have the localization bit. Sayamindu Dasgupta and others
> > > > have
> > > > done a great job of setting up this resource. We need to be able to
> > > > use
> > > > it to its fullest extent.
> > > >
> > > > On Pootle (https://dev.laptop.org/translate/), we have: Afrikaans,
> > > > Amharic, Arabic, Aymara, Basque, Bengali, Bengali (India),
> > > > Bulgarian,
> > > > Catalan, Chinese (China), Chinese (Hong Kong), Chinese (Taiwan),
> > > > Czech,
> > > > Danish, Dari, Dutch, Dzongkha, English, English (South African),
> > > > English
> > > > (US), Finnish, French, Friulian, Fula, Galician, Georgian, German,
> > > > Greek, Gujarati, Hausa, Hindi, Icelandic, Igbo, Italian, Japanese,
> > > > Khmer, Kinyarwanda, Korean, Kreyol, Macedonian, Malayalam, Maltese,
> > > > Marathi, Mongolian, Nepali, Pashto, Persian, Polish, Portuguese,
> > > > Portuguese (Brazil), Punjabi, Quechua, Romanian, Russian, Serbian,
> > > > Sindhi, Sinhala, Slovenian, Sotho, Spanish, Swedish, Tamil, Telugu,
> > > > Templates, Thai, Turkish, Ukrainian, Urdu, Vietnamese, Wolof,
> > > > Yoruba,
> > > > pseudo L10n
> > > >
> > > > Look at the list and see if you have a language/script that's not on
> > > > there but you'd like to help with. For basic instructions on how to
> > > > use
> > > > Pootle see http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/452 The screenshots are a
> > > > bit
> > > > dated, but the idea should get across. You'll notice on that same
> > > > page
> > > > that the slides have been translated into Bulgarian and Chinese. How
> > > > about converting the slides into some Indian languages?
> > > >
> > > > In all, I am quite excited to see things moving again on this list.
> > > > Let's hope we keep up the momentum.
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > Sameer
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> > > > Associate Professor of Information Systems
> > > > San Francisco State University
> > > > San Francisco CA 94132 USA
> > > > http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> > > > http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 2
> > > > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:17:10 +0200
> > > > From: "Marc Valentin" <mvalentin at oeuvredespains.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India
> > > > Conference
> > > > on 18th April, 2008
> > > > To: "Sameer Verma" <sverma at sfsu.edu>, india at lists.laptop.org
> > > > Message-ID:
> > > > <99ae10a80804201317t4adde52enb72c3b9180e2b454 at mail.gmail.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > > >
> > > > I just want to add this : XO-LiveCD is nice but for those wanting to
> > > > participate to the creation of manuals, tutorials or software
> > > > development, using Virtualization is the way to go : with VMWare,
> > > > VirtualBox,... (see wiki.laptop.org)
> > > > You can work in MSWindows or Linux or Mac having the XO open in a
> > > > Window... very useful for taking snapshots for example.
> > > > -marc-
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There is also a
> > > > > perception that if you don't have an XO, you can't really do
> > > > much. This
> > > > > is not the case if you are using a live CD though. The current
> > > > batch of
> > > > > Live CDs (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveBackup_XO-LiveCD) provide
> > > > a
> > > > > large proportion of the functionality that one would see on an
> > > > XO.
> > > > > Perhaps this avenue should be explored more. After all, its
> > > > really a
> > > > > Fedora-derived distro. You could very well run an entire
> > > > classroom of
> > > > > these LiveCDs on regular desktops and still avail the features of
> > > > Sugar!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 3
> > > > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:47:17 -0700
> > > > From: Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu>
> > > > Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India
> > > > Conference
> > > > on 18th April, 2008
> > > > To: Marc Valentin <mvalentin at oeuvredespains.org>
> > > > Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
> > > > Message-ID: <480BABD5.4000501 at sfsu.edu>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > > >
> > > > Marc Valentin wrote:
> > > > > I just want to add this : XO-LiveCD is nice but for those wanting
> > > > to
> > > > > participate to the creation of manuals, tutorials or software
> > > > > development, using Virtualization is the way to go : with VMWare,
> > > > > VirtualBox,... (see wiki.laptop.org)
> > > > > You can work in MSWindows or Linux or Mac having the XO open in a
> > > > > Window... very useful for taking snapshots for example.
> > > > >
> > > > I would second that. VMs are great for documentation.
> > > >
> > > > Sameer
> > > > > -marc-
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> There is also a
> > > > >> perception that if you don't have an XO, you can't really do
> > > > much. This
> > > > >> is not the case if you are using a live CD though. The current
> > > > batch of
> > > > >> Live CDs (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveBackup_XO-LiveCD)
> > > > provide a
> > > > >> large proportion of the functionality that one would see on an
> > > > XO.
> > > > >> Perhaps this avenue should be explored more. After all, its
> > > > really a
> > > > >> Fedora-derived distro. You could very well run an entire
> > > > classroom of
> > > > >> these LiveCDs on regular desktops and still avail the features
> > > > of Sugar!
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 4
> > > > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:16:02 +0530
> > > > From: "Puneet Goel" <g.puneet at gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India
> > > > Conference
> > > > on 18th April, 2008
> > > > To: india at lists.laptop.org
> > > > Message-ID:
> > > > <b73c9f030804202146p6051cda1q15a92413d5d3caa at mail.gmail.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Just want to know why don't we do these meets on IRC. Many people
> > > > can
> > > > participate and we can avoid the problems like noise disturbance.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Puneet
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:41 AM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > amit gogna wrote:
> > > > > > Following is the link giving details of OLPC India Conference :-
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_India/Conference_calls#Minutes_of_Meeting
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > India mailing list
> > > > > > India at lists.laptop.org
> > > > > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> > > > > >
> > > > > A few points that I'd like to add:
> > > > >
> > > > > The conference call sound quality was a bit of a problem, although
> > > > I
> > > > > don't think this was a problem with the setup. It sounded like
> > > > someone
> > > > > on the conference call was sitting in traffic...way too much
> > > > traffic
> > > > > noise. It was also suggested that we could perhaps look for a
> > > > hybrid
> > > > > conference call setup which would support dial-in and VoIP calls.
> > > > I know
> > > > > that Gizmo supports such a feature, but AFAIK the call in number
> > > > is a
> > > > > US-based number. See
> > > > > http://gizmo5.com/pc/products/features/conference-calling/ for
> > > > details.
> > > > >
> > > > > In terms of the upcoming installs or pilots in India, I would
> > > > reiterate
> > > > > that interested people and parties should look to other pilots for
> > > > > "lessons learned". Nepal and Pakistan come to mind, given their
> > > > > proximity. I've seen a lot more public info on the Nepal pilot,
> > > > though.
> > > > > http://www.olenepal.org/ There are several issues that can be
> > > > > categorized into hardware, software, localization, repairs,
> > > > training,
> > > > > etc. Many of these will be largely the same for most deployments,
> > > > so no
> > > > > reinvention is necessary. Some issues will of course be specific
> > > > for
> > > > > deployments in different parts of India, and those will have to be
> > > > > addressed on a case by case basis.
> > > > >
> > > > > Another item of concern is the level of awareness. I've talked to
> > > > people
> > > > > at a couple of different LUGs in India about the project, and I
> > > > got a
> > > > > sense if indifference from them. Perhaps we need a stronger push
> > > > to
> > > > > connect LUGs into different OLPC projects. LUGs tend to have goals
> > > > > similar to what OLPC has. LUGs aren't really about Linux or FOSS
> > > > as much
> > > > > as they are about education! This was my suggestion to Gaurav
> > > > (from
> > > > > Punjab University) on the phone call. Gaurav's group at Punjab
> > > > > University is doing interesting things in reaching out to the
> > > > > communities. Gaurav: Can we hear from you on some of those
> > > > activities?
> > > > > Perhaps pointers to slides, blogs, etc.?
> > > > >
> > > > > LUGs all over India can get involved and spread the word. They can
> > > > go
> > > > > out to the local communities and improve awareness. There is also
> > > > a
> > > > > perception that if you don't have an XO, you can't really do much.
> > > > This
> > > > > is not the case if you are using a live CD though. The current
> > > > batch of
> > > > > Live CDs (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveBackup_XO-LiveCD) provide
> > > > a
> > > > > large proportion of the functionality that one would see on an XO.
> > > > > Perhaps this avenue should be explored more. After all, its really
> > > > a
> > > > > Fedora-derived distro. You could very well run an entire classroom
> > > > of
> > > > > these LiveCDs on regular desktops and still avail the features of
> > > > Sugar!
> > > > >
> > > > > Then we have the localization bit. Sayamindu Dasgupta and others
> > > > have
> > > > > done a great job of setting up this resource. We need to be able
> > > > to use
> > > > > it to its fullest extent.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Pootle (https://dev.laptop.org/translate/), we have:
> > > > Afrikaans,
> > > > > Amharic, Arabic, Aymara, Basque, Bengali, Bengali (India),
> > > > Bulgarian,
> > > > > Catalan, Chinese (China), Chinese (Hong Kong), Chinese (Taiwan),
> > > > Czech,
> > > > > Danish, Dari, Dutch, Dzongkha, English, English (South African),
> > > > English
> > > > > (US), Finnish, French, Friulian, Fula, Galician, Georgian, German,
> > > > > Greek, Gujarati, Hausa, Hindi, Icelandic, Igbo, Italian, Japanese,
> > > > > Khmer, Kinyarwanda, Korean, Kreyol, Macedonian, Malayalam,
> > > > Maltese,
> > > > > Marathi, Mongolian, Nepali, Pashto, Persian, Polish, Portuguese,
> > > > > Portuguese (Brazil), Punjabi, Quechua, Romanian, Russian, Serbian,
> > > > > Sindhi, Sinhala, Slovenian, Sotho, Spanish, Swedish, Tamil,
> > > > Telugu,
> > > > > Templates, Thai, Turkish, Ukrainian, Urdu, Vietnamese, Wolof,
> > > > Yoruba,
> > > > > pseudo L10n
> > > > >
> > > > > Look at the list and see if you have a language/script that's not
> > > > on
> > > > > there but you'd like to help with. For basic instructions on how
> > > > to use
> > > > > Pootle see http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/452 The screenshots are
> > > > a bit
> > > > > dated, but the idea should get across. You'll notice on that same
> > > > page
> > > > > that the slides have been translated into Bulgarian and Chinese.
> > > > How
> > > > > about converting the slides into some Indian languages?
> > > > >
> > > > > In all, I am quite excited to see things moving again on this
> > > > list.
> > > > > Let's hope we keep up the momentum.
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers,
> > > > > Sameer
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> > > > > Associate Professor of Information Systems
> > > > > San Francisco State University
> > > > > San Francisco CA 94132 USA
> > > > > http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> > > > > http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > India mailing list
> > > > > India at lists.laptop.org
> > > > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
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> > > >
> > > > Message: 5
> > > > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:54:02 -0700
> > > > From: Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu>
> > > > Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Minutes of Meeting of OLPC India
> > > > Conference
> > > > on 18th April, 2008
> > > > To: Puneet Goel <g.puneet at gmail.com>
> > > > Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
> > > > Message-ID: <480C1DEA.8020301 at sfsu.edu>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > > >
> > > > Puneet Goel wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Just want to know why don't we do these meets on IRC. Many people
> > > > can
> > > > > participate and we can avoid the problems like noise disturbance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Puneet
> > > > >
> > > > Sometimes you just can't get to a computer, but you can talk on the
> > > > phone. I think voice calls actually convey a lot more than IRC
> > > > channels.
> > > > Of course, we can always have IRC in parallel. That's what we did
> > > > for
> > > > the server team conference.
> > > >
> > > > Sameer
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> > > > Associate Professor of Information Systems
> > > > San Francisco State University
> > > > San Francisco CA 94132 USA
> > > > http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> > > > http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 6
> > > > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:11:48 +0200
> > > > From: Sven AERTS <svenaerts228 at gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: [OLPC India] OLPC - Cowdung/Biogas power - Kyoto Protocol
> > > > logic
> > > > To: india at lists.laptop.org
> > > > Message-ID: <FBB71CE8-16DA-45C4-A434-AAF2D588AFFE at gmail.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes;
> > > > format=flowed
> > > >
> > > > Would it not be more feasible to use biogas for cooking and cooling,
> > > > and brewing some vodka - I mean - ethanol to power a little fuel
> > > > cell
> > > > to run the OLPC ?
> > > > Don't tell me there's no Vodka-equivalent over there... so the
> > > > farmers know how to brew ethanol ...
> > > >
> > > > As a "Kyoto Protocol Consultant", I dare to say that prices of
> > > > PhotoVoltaics or Fuel Cells shouldn't be a problem since the OLPC-
> > > > organisation could claim the CO2-certificates for the whole project:
> > > > 1. I think that opening up the olpc-project from a computer project
> > > > to an education to a CO2-reducing project would enable the OLPC-
> > > > education project to get access to the financial power behind the
> > > > "Kyoto Protocol".
> > > > I've posted a presentation on the matter:
> > > > http://www.slideshare.net/SvenAERTS/olp-csmall
> > > >
> > > > 2. The logic is; A normal PC consumes an average x kWh. Electricity
> > > > is produced on the average in that country by emitting y tons of
> > > > Greenhouse gasses. So using an OLPC only uses x-something kWh x 1
> > > > million OLPC's in this country and the difference of the normal
> > > > computers - olpc computers in Greenhouse gasses NOT emitted can be
> > > > claimed as CO2 certificates and sold to CO2 emitting
> > > > countries'governments and companies in the West that HAVE to buy
> > > > CO2-
> > > > certificates (price is now about 20?/CO2certificate.
> > > >
> > > > 3. I'd say: present OLPC as a technique where you go via the kids
> > > > and
> > > > the schools to the parents and society as a whole to catalyze CO2-
> > > > reducing projects and the accompanying CO2-certificates: let the
> > > > ministiry of education make a list of all the Schools and public
> > > > buildings ... get an agreement to equip them with PV, Solar
> > > > collector, WindTurbine, relighting with low energy lamps ... get a
> > > > mandate to present that to the "Kyoto Protocol" financiers that need
> > > > CO2-certificates ... I am sure I can convince them to finance such a
> > > > project under these conditions.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Skype: SvenAERTS
> > > > Kyoto Protocol Consultant-Brussels
> > > > Engineer, Car Mechanic, Post Graduated in international Relations/
> > > > Finance and Peace Development
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> come to the fountain of life with a sieve instead of a tank >car... a
> teaspoon instead of a steam shovel. They expect little and as a result >they
> get little." ~ Ben Sweetland
>
>
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