[Grassroots-l] Localization Digest, Vol 16, Issue 14

Mon Jun 9 16:03:30 EDT 2008

no come one people!

OLPC should for once do a good job and just simply *have* localize  
keyboards.
Why can't we expect that?

Did you forget http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/20/176255  ??

You really want that everyone who thinks that 150 euros is not sooo  
much and that the XO looks sweet and otherwise has no technical know  
how will need to unscrew the XO and change the keyboard?

I mean hey, in France you have a great tradition to change every word  
into french (with accents and so on top :) ) - so people would like  
to type also in french and not first use the screwdriver. Otherwise  
you run into the same G1G1 support nightmare again.

my 2 cents,

a.

On Jun 9, 2008, at 9:53 PM, LASKE, Lionel (C2S) wrote:

>
> Very good idea.
>
> More: why not give keyboards stocks to locals grassroot in target  
> countries for G1G1 Europe ?
>
> So every people buy a laptop with an English keyboard and have  
> opportunity to exchange it to its local grassroot.
>
> It could be a very good way:
> - For local grassroot to federate XO community in their country,
> - For OLPC to promote grassroots in Europe.
>
> By the way, as NN said: "Everyone should try disassembling their  
> XO", so if someone want a localized keyboard, it should disassembly  
> the XO first to plug the right keyboard !
>
>            Lionel Laské.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:00:50 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Carlo Falciola <cfalciola at yahoo.it>
> Subject: Re: [Localization] [Fwd: Re: #7116 NORM Never A: Possible
>         European        G1G1 program needs appropriate keyboards]
> To: localization at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID: <436443.88235.qm at web25601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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>
>
>  What about to delivery plain intn'l machines with default keyboard  
> and then set up some stocks of nationalized keyboards (FR, DE, IT,  
> GR, etc.. ) and offer them at a price that's commisurated to the  
> production cost of the keyboard itself (and the planned numbers),  
> not burdening at all XO production?
>
> Anyway I think the really hardest issue would the accomplishment of  
> regulations for security, wireless/transmission, warranty and  
> returns (2 Years in EU default).
>
> Lastly do not forget that we all  Europeans like to have large  
> abundance of different AC plugs (even more than one kind per  
> country... ;)
>
>
>  Ciao a tutti
> Carlo Falciola
>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 00:12:48 -0400
>> From: "Kim Quirk" <kim at laptop.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Localization] [Fwd: Re: #7116 NORM Never A:
>> Possible
>>       European        G1G1 program needs appropriate keyboards]
>> To: "Holger Levsen" <holger at layer-acht.org>
>> Cc: olpc-de at lists.laptop.org, Chuck Kane
>> <chuck at laptop.org>,
>>       devel at lists.laptop.org, OLPC Localization list
>>       <localization at lists.laptop.org>,        OLPC Devel
>> <devel at laptop.org>,
>>       "Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to
>> help AT
>>       laptop.org" <support-gang at lists.laptop.org>
>> Message-ID:
>>       <9073bf100806082112h1301782ave8479297e0b64229 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi Holger,
>> We are hoping that the company we partner with for the G1G1
>> program will
>> bring some knowledge to us about what is needed for each
>> country where we
>> want to ship. We will start with that information and then
>> figure out the
>> things that aren't understood. For instance, for
>> products shipping from the
>> US to Germany, I'm sure there are some mandatory
>> certifications required
>> (the equivalent of UL or CE). Perhaps the certifications
>> are for all of the
>> EU countries. Also, some countries may require a minimum
>> warranty or returns
>> policy. There might be different rules for a non-profit
>> company.
>>
>> As for keyboards, we will only be able to ship one keyboard
>> -
>> US/International. We have to forecast the parts many months
>> ahead of when
>> they can be built and shipped; and our manufacturer cannot
>> build small
>> quantities of anything. So we will have all the keyboards
>> go out
>> US/International; and the choice of power adapter will
>> probably have to be
>> limited as well to US or EU.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kim
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Holger Levsen
>> <holger at layer-acht.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kim,
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 03 June 2008 21:48, Kim Quirk wrote:
>>>> Agreed, Ed. The legalities of each country need
>> to be determined and
>>>> met before we can include that country in a Give
>> One Get One program.
>>>>
>>>> Some of the things we need to understand are:
>> Certifications,
>>>> language/keyboard requirements, messaging,
>> non-profit status,
>>>> shipping, customs, support and warranties. I
>> believe these issues (and
>>>> perhaps more) will be different for almost every
>> country.
>>>
>>> What can we, as OLPC Germany association, do to help
>> you to understand the
>>> legal situation (and anything else) in Germany?
>>>
>>> Also, what can we do, to make a german keyboard
>> reality? We have keyboard
>>> layouts available on
>>>
>> http://wiki.olpc-deutschland.de/organisation/beirat/hardware
>>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>         Holger
>>>
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