[Etoys] Translation paths

Tue Sep 18 14:21:14 EDT 2007

Jim,

Here is the thing:

Launchpad (for the seek of simplicity) apparently works fine. We  
translators just want a place where our contributions are effectively  
ported and used. Actually, I don't care if it is slow or give me four  
or five steps to get my contributions done. Translations are just  
static strings that are eventually merged into the application (via  
svn or whatever). The bottom line here is its usability and  
correctness as much as possible.

We like to contribute in a clear, simple, straightforward way. And it  
seems to me that launchpad is a good example of this. It may not be  
the best, completely open-source whatever... but then, again, so what?

What I wrote before is that I translated some 3000+ words/strings for  
the Squeak Etoys interface in the past, and I am now focused — with  
the help of folks in Porto Alegre, Brazil — to continue reviewing and  
completing the long remaining list.

cheers,
Paulo

On Sep 18, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Jim Gettys wrote:

> Hmmm...  Last I knew (a couple years ago), the impression I was left
> with was that rosetta wasn't very friendly to offline translators; we
> have a situation, particularly initially, where many of the potential
> contributors to translations may find a web site both expensive and
> slow, and may prefer to use some of the offline translation tools
> (pootle or kbabel).
>
> I don't pretend to know the needs of a translation community: we  
> should
> optimize toward their work-flow, and adapt to suit.  And we need to
> remember the needs of offline translators, who don't yet have regular,
> economic network access.
>                                - Jim
>
>
> On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 09:36 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>> Maybe we should remove the translations from fedora and just put up a
>> notice to use launchpad? I can see how two different places might be
>> confusing, leading to doubled effort. And suppose we actually get two
>> different translations - which do we prefer?
>>
>> - Bert -
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2007, at 2:18 , Paulo Drummond wrote:
>>
>>> Xavi, Tak —
>>>
>>> Here is what I will do:
>>>
>>> I will continue my contributions using lunchpad; at least to review
>>> my own translations from past 2-3 years and — with the help of some
>>> folks who are directly using it with children and their XOs — fill
>>> most of the blanks in, say, two weeks. Then we can point a revision
>>> group to consolidate the whole 'trunk' in a given date.
>>>
>>> — paulo
>>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Xavier Alvarez wrote:
>>>
>>>> Takashi & Paulo,
>>>>
>>>> I agree that launchpad is *way* more friendly and useful than
>>>> fedora's site (at least in it's curernt state). Not only because
>>>> it's web based (less shuffling around of files, possibly messing
>>>> up encodings and other nuances) but you can pull strings from an
>>>> apparently vast set of previous translations... allowing greater
>>>> consistency of protocols and idioms for each language.
>>>>
>>>> Given that Etoys is highly fragmented (lots of POTs) and if each
>>>> pot is translated by a different translator the risks of ending
>>>> up with a fully de-localized etoys is high...
>>>>
>>>> iow, it will all be in a given language, but with no consistency
>>>> for terms, objects and 'messages'.  It may end up being a useless
>>>> environment that nobody but a fully bilingual 'developer' that
>>>> can translate back into english and map it into their knowledge
>>>> of the environment will be able to profit from (I've witnessed
>>>> those kind of 'localizations', and they are not nice)
>>>>
>>>> My question is: how will we manage?
>>>>
>>>> Having etoys' POTs 'hosted' in both is confusing because we have
>>>> no clear flow for either plus (personally) I have no clue how
>>>> will the integration work.  So I can't even start telling other
>>>> translators or posting on the wiki how to go around
>>>> collaborating....
>>>>
>>>> BTW, this applies not only to etoys, but all other l10n stuff...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Xavier
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 17 September 2007 16:11, Takashi Yamamiya wrote:
>>>> TY> Hi Paulo,
>>>> TY>
>>>> TY> Paulo Drummond wrote:
>>>> TY> > Hi Takashi,
>>>> TY> >
>>>> TY> > Don't you think the translations.launchpad is a clear,
>>>> TY> > easier way for everyone who wants to contribute?
>>>> TY>
>>>> TY> Yes, Maybe...
>>>> TY>
>>>> TY> Because I'm not sure what is the best way to manage our
>>>> TY> translations, so I set up two options at Fedora site (as a
>>>> TY> good citizen in OLPC community) and launchpad (nice web ui).
>>>> TY> You can use either way for a while, and we would choose one
>>>> TY> of them later.
>>>> TY>
>>>> TY> - http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/olpc-etoys
>>>> TY> - https://translations.launchpad.net/etoys/
>>>> TY>
>>>> TY> Any way, the master is
>>>> http://etoys.laptop.org/svn/trunk/etoys/po/
>>>> TY> I will merge into here by my hand at first.
>>>> TY>
>>>> TY> Now we have two different aspect of issues. One is a just
>>>> TY> technical issue, our gettext support isn't good enough yet.
>>>> TY> Other one is translation process, we need to make clear how
>>>> TY> to adjust each translation volunteers.
>>>> TY>
>>>> TY> Cheers,
>>>> TY> - Takashi
>>
>>
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