[Etoys] Translation paths

Tue Sep 18 10:29:11 EDT 2007

  I think that the launchpad web interface makes the life much easier to 
non-technical translators. It's much more user friendly than fedoras 
system (at least in this stage of development). I've being using both to 
create the pt_BR translation of the interface, and my experience with 
launchpad has a much higher fun factor. You don't have to know anything 
about pot, po and mo.
   Here in Porto Alegre - Brazil, we don't have problems with Internet 
access, so the user experience with web interfaces is not a problem. But 
I completely understand the problem of offline translators. It is not 
possible to use the launchpad web interface and synchronize the results 
thought  SVN with the offline translators?

   Best,

    Juliano

Bert Freudenberg escreveu:
> So you're saying we should rather ditch launchpad because it is  
> online-only, yes?
>
> - Bert -
>
> On Sep 18, 2007, at 4:57 , Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas wrote:
>
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>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> I have been working in translations in the past and I agree about
>> off-line tools instead of on-line ones. Would be nice to have some  
>> easy
>> control version system like bazaar that can help in synchronizing
>> activities using off-line tools, instead of relying on on-line ones.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Offray
>>
>> Jim Gettys wrote:
>>     
>>> Hmmm...  Last I knew (a couple years ago), the impression I was left
>>> with was that rosetta wasn't very friendly to offline translators; we
>>> have a situation, particularly initially, where many of the potential
>>> contributors to translations may find a web site both expensive and
>>> slow, and may prefer to use some of the offline translation tools
>>> (pootle or kbabel).
>>>
>>> I don't pretend to know the needs of a translation community: we  
>>> should
>>> optimize toward their work-flow, and adapt to suit.  And we need to
>>> remember the needs of offline translators, who don't yet have  
>>> regular,
>>> economic network access.
>>>                                - Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 09:36 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Maybe we should remove the translations from fedora and just put  
>>>> up a
>>>> notice to use launchpad? I can see how two different places might be
>>>> confusing, leading to doubled effort. And suppose we actually get  
>>>> two
>>>> different translations - which do we prefer?
>>>>
>>>> - Bert -
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 18, 2007, at 2:18 , Paulo Drummond wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Xavi, Tak —
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what I will do:
>>>>>
>>>>> I will continue my contributions using lunchpad; at least to review
>>>>> my own translations from past 2-3 years and — with the help of some
>>>>> folks who are directly using it with children and their XOs — fill
>>>>> most of the blanks in, say, two weeks. Then we can point a revision
>>>>> group to consolidate the whole 'trunk' in a given date.
>>>>>
>>>>> — paulo
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 17, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Xavier Alvarez wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Takashi & Paulo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree that launchpad is *way* more friendly and useful than
>>>>>> fedora's site (at least in it's curernt state). Not only because
>>>>>> it's web based (less shuffling around of files, possibly messing
>>>>>> up encodings and other nuances) but you can pull strings from an
>>>>>> apparently vast set of previous translations... allowing greater
>>>>>> consistency of protocols and idioms for each language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given that Etoys is highly fragmented (lots of POTs) and if each
>>>>>> pot is translated by a different translator the risks of ending
>>>>>> up with a fully de-localized etoys is high...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> iow, it will all be in a given language, but with no consistency
>>>>>> for terms, objects and 'messages'.  It may end up being a useless
>>>>>> environment that nobody but a fully bilingual 'developer' that
>>>>>> can translate back into english and map it into their knowledge
>>>>>> of the environment will be able to profit from (I've witnessed
>>>>>> those kind of 'localizations', and they are not nice)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question is: how will we manage?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having etoys' POTs 'hosted' in both is confusing because we have
>>>>>> no clear flow for either plus (personally) I have no clue how
>>>>>> will the integration work.  So I can't even start telling other
>>>>>> translators or posting on the wiki how to go around
>>>>>> collaborating....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, this applies not only to etoys, but all other l10n stuff...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Xavier
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday 17 September 2007 16:11, Takashi Yamamiya wrote:
>>>>>> TY> Hi Paulo,
>>>>>> TY>
>>>>>> TY> Paulo Drummond wrote:
>>>>>> TY> > Hi Takashi,
>>>>>> TY> >
>>>>>> TY> > Don't you think the translations.launchpad is a clear,
>>>>>> TY> > easier way for everyone who wants to contribute?
>>>>>> TY>
>>>>>> TY> Yes, Maybe...
>>>>>> TY>
>>>>>> TY> Because I'm not sure what is the best way to manage our
>>>>>> TY> translations, so I set up two options at Fedora site (as a
>>>>>> TY> good citizen in OLPC community) and launchpad (nice web ui).
>>>>>> TY> You can use either way for a while, and we would choose one
>>>>>> TY> of them later.
>>>>>> TY>
>>>>>> TY> - http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/olpc-etoys
>>>>>> TY> - https://translations.launchpad.net/etoys/
>>>>>> TY>
>>>>>> TY> Any way, the master is
>>>>>> http://etoys.laptop.org/svn/trunk/etoys/po/
>>>>>> TY> I will merge into here by my hand at first.
>>>>>> TY>
>>>>>> TY> Now we have two different aspect of issues. One is a just
>>>>>> TY> technical issue, our gettext support isn't good enough yet.
>>>>>> TY> Other one is translation process, we need to make clear how
>>>>>> TY> to adjust each translation volunteers.
>>>>>> TY>
>>>>>> TY> Cheers,
>>>>>> TY> - Takashi
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