Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons & olpc keyboard

[Walter Bender]

Could you please try with the latest version of Turtle Art (v182)?

thx

-walter

On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Barry Vercoe <barry at laptop.org.au> wrote:
> Hi, on SHC 205002233
>     running 13.1.0 for XO-1.75 (build 20)
>     with Sugar 0.98.2
>     firmware Q4D24
>
> For Text in both Write and Turtle Art (the Title panel):
>     vowel + altgr - gives the Combining Macron, i.e. two bkspcs to remove
> the letter
> But if either Activity is saved to the Journal and we write into its
> Description panel
>     vowel + altgr - gives the Unicode version, i.e. one bksp removes the
> letter.
>
> So we do have the right behavior in there somewhere.
> -- barry
>
>
> On 25/06/2013 12:13 a.m., Walter Bender wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Jerry Vonau <jerry at laptop.org.au> wrote:
>
> On 24 June 2013 06:43, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Which build are you running? In the latest Sugar builds, there is a
> keyboard settings control panel section. We could probably backport it
> to your build if it is reasonably recent.
>
> In OLPC's & Dextrose's versions of sugar the sugar-cp-keyboard rpm doesn't
> get installed. Think there is a conflict over the keyboard with
> olpc-configure supplied by olpc-utils.
>
> I can poke around to see if I can get it to work.
>
> -walter
>
> Jerry
>
> Meanwhile, we may have to make a new X keyboard symbols file for you
> that does the right thing. Not impossible to get upstreamed.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Tom Parker <tom at carrott.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking at how you enter a macron for Māori language users.
>
> It seems that the olpc us international keyboard binds a ̄  COMBINING
> MACRON
> (unicode U+0304) to algr + hyphan. When typed after the letter a you get
> ā
> which is similar to but not the same as ā LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH
> MACRON
> (unicode U+0101).
>
> Issues I've noted with a small amount of testing:
>
> On older builds, Write does not correctly load files containing the
> combining macron.
> The combining macron is not rendered at the correct height for lower
> case
> letters. (on older builds this seems to be the case all the time, on
> newer
> builds, it is rendered correctly after loading a file until you delete a
> following character the on the same line, then it jumps up)
> You can have more than one combining macron, they stack.
> You have to delete twice, once to delete the macron and again to delete
> the
> character.
>
> Have these issues come up before? I don't see any. I will raise tickets
> for
> the bugs rendering the macron in the latest version of write shortly.
> I'm
> not sure if anyone wants a ticket for older builds? Obviously stacking
> macrons is by-design when using the combining macron character (see
> https://twitter.com/glitchr_/ for more improbable outcomes of combining
> characters, perhaps your browser will crash).
>
> I haven't yet experimented with entering the ā U+0101 characters into
> sugar
> (tomorrow!)
>
> Apparently on Windows, the Māori keyboard is set up such that when you
> hit
> the grave (apparently this is what I have always called the backtick)
> key
> and then one of the vowels, you get the macron version of the vowel. I
> haven't seen this in action but Māori typists claim it is very
> efficient.
>
> Gnome on Ubuntu on my laptop binds right-alt-a to ā U+0101 when using
> the
> Māori keyboard layout. I'm not sure how Maori typists feel about this
> inconsistency with windows.
>
> When you choose the language in sugar, can this change the keyboard
> layout
> too? If not, what is the recommended way to configure this?
>
> How complex is it to change the localization of the keyboard for the
> Maori
> language? The xkb files don't look too complicated. Is the grave - vowel
> =
> macron vowel possible while still preserving the backtick for shell
> scripting? I haven't seen the laptops in question but I'm told they have
> the
> Australian simplified key caps, so changing the existing alt-gr mappings
> to
> render macron vowels (ie to mimic the Maori keyboard option on
> Gnome-Ubuntu)
> instead of the existing mappings won't confuse the key caps.
>
> Obviously touching all the laptops to change how the keyboard works is a
> pain and the change is potentially erased by future updates.
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