New keyboard layouts

[NoiseEHC]

But how can it be that not misplacing the ? key (pressed rarery) is more 
important than misplacing the UP key? I mean that not only it is 
incompatible with normal keyboards (even laptop keyboards) but with 
human thinking as well? (Before you ask, I have a LOT of experience with 
the C-64 keyboard. Both the cursor keys and both the joystick 
"emulation" keys suck.)

Paul Fox wrote:
> noiseehc wrote:
>  > Could you just put UP to the place of ?, put ? to the place of RIGHT, 
>  > and put RIGHT to the place of UP?
>  > I am not THAT old to understand what is so cool about that "hjkl vi 
>  > arrangement" and I guess no children will either.
>  > I feel that moving just one more key from its 101 key standard position 
>  > cannot suck more that the current arrow key arrangement...
>
> please don't misunderstand -- the intention of the arrow key arrangement
> never had the goal of recreating hjkl.  if that had been the goal, we
> could have put the arrows _on_ h, j, k, and l, and used the Fn key to
> produce them, which is how those vi commands came about in the first
> place:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_Terminal_ADM3A.svg
> obviously, compatibility with a 35 year old terminal is uninteresting.
>
> the real goal was to not misplace the ? key.  
>
> paul
>
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Walter Bender wrote:
>  > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tiago Marques <tiagomnm at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > >   
>  > >> I was just looking at the layout again and just noticed the new arrow keys
>  > >> placement. That is a very awkward placement. Is that definitive or can you
>  > >> do something like shorten the shift key to accommodate the UP arrow?
>  > >> I suppose that would be another hard sell for deployments against netbooks
>  > >> with the regular placement of keys.
>  > >> Best regads,
>  > >> Tiago
>  > >>     
>  > >
>  > > We debated this one. A shorter shift key would be difficult to type
>  > > on. We opted to emulate the hjkl vi arrangement.
>  > >
>  > > -walter
>  > >
>  > >   
>  > >> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Tiago Marques <tiagomnm at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > >>     
>  > >>> I must ask, what's the default behavior of function keys in the new
>  > >>> layout? Fn changes them to F keys, or are they F keys without Fn pressed?
>  > >>> Tiago
>  > >>>
>  > >>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <mikus at bga.com> wrote:
>  > >>>       
>  > >>>>> The following are the keyboard layouts and legends for these
>  > >>>>> new keyboards.   Much thanks to Walter Bender for developing
>  > >>>>> these given a bad set of constraints.
>  > >>>>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_English_Non-membrane_Keyboard
>  > >>>>>           
>  > >>>> There may be users who wish to plug in an external keyboard.  Such
>  > >>>> external keyboards often have function keys grouped in sets of four.
>  > >>>> Such grouping places F5 at the beginning of a row of four keys, and
>  > >>>> places F6 in the middle of a row of four keys.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> Suppose users might be pressing the key for 'frame' more often than the
>  > >>>> key for 'search'.  Should the 'frame' function be assigned to the F5
>  > >>>> key, since on external keyboards the F5 key might be easier to locate ?
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> mikus
>  > >>>>
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