is anyone actually doing Windows on XO work here?

[Walter Bender]

Ed,

Lee Harvey Oswald was part of an ensemble group. See:

http://chnm.gmu.edu/digitalhistory/links/cached/introduction/link0.20.in-a-gadda-da-oswald_files/oswald.jpe

More seriously, I don't know if it is possible, but getting Nicholas
to stop making a "scrambled egg" out of the software stack with his
"omelet" analogy would go a long ways to reducing the confusion in the
media as well. His continued insistence that Sugar is an operating
system--the problem--is being spoken out of ignorance and does not
reflect well on either project. As you know better than most, the bulk
of the software engineering effort at OLPC has been in support of
getting the hardware to boot, drivers, security, power management,
etc. All critical tasks, whether or not this is an education project.
Sugar (or any other user-facing) bits have always been and still are
almost entirely separate from these engineering necessities, as is
content development and the bulk of the deployment work. (The points
of overlap are in regard to managing some aspects of security and
updates.)

-walter

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Ed McNierney<ed at laptop.org> wrote:
> Folks -
> We've tried many times to make the very simple story about Windows support
> on the XO clear.  The conspiracy theorists don't really care.  If you don't
> live in a fact-based universe, facts are irrelevant.  Mitch is quite right,
> but we've said just about all of that before to little effect.  OLPCNews and
> Slashdot thrive on controversy, not accurate reporting.  I don't have much
> hope that we're going to say something now that makes the "OLPC has switched
> to Windows" crowd suddenly realize they're wrong.
> Of course, Linux development is *far* more expensive for OLPC than Windows
> development is (and always has been), so if there were a way to convert all
> those Slashdot/OLPCNews typing fingers into volunteer coders it would be a
> nice improvement!
> When we're finished clearing up the confusion about what OLPC is really
> doing (and has been doing for a long time), we can move on to proving that
> Apollo 11 really did land on the Moon, Barack Obama was indeed born in
> Hawaii, and Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
> - Ed
>
> On Jul 21, 2009, at 5:50 AM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Martin Langhoff <martin.langhoff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Christoph
>> Derndorfer<christoph.derndorfer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Maybe I missed it before but I'm really very surprised that this is the
>> > first time I'm hearing this angle of the story in such detail. IMHO it
>> > would
>> > have made a lot of sense for OLPC to say exactly what Mitch wrote here
>> > when
>> > the Microsoft s*** first hit the fan in May 2008.
>>
>> Ummm. ISTR public statements saying _exactly this_, though perhaps
>> with less technical detail. Everyone was blinded by the "OMG MS!"
>> effect that nobody actually applied neurons to the situation.
>
> These statements might have been made but very obviously OLPC and the
> aligned community (incl. myself) didn't do all that great a job of
> explaining what was really going on to the general public otherwise we
> wouldn't be in a situation today were a lot of people including many FLOSS
> enthusiasts still look at OLPC as having sold out to Microsoft in May 2008.
>
>> Around that time, I spoke in various public events and relayed exactly
>> that message. Some people understood the intent.
>>
>> That you don't know doesn't mean it hasn't been discussed...
>
> Hence why I wrote "Maybe I missed it..." ;-)
>
> Anyway, crying over split milk doesn't really move us forward. Let's learn
> our lessons for the future and get back to work.
>
> Christoph
> --
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