[Production] Amharic input
Kim Quirk
kim at laptop.org
Thu May 1 09:09:32 EDT 2008
Hi Marc,
I don't think this is a Write bug... or at least I haven't been doing enough
testing in Write to understand if there is a bug there or not. The problem I
need help with is related to the keyboard and affects all Sugar and
Activities.
It does not affect the virtual terminal. More details can be found in the
trac item:
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6945
Kim
2008/5/1 J.M. Maurer <uwog at uwog.net>:
> Which Write version are we talking about here exactly? I know the Write
> version in sugar-jhbuild includes a big Amharic IM patch from Tomas
> Frydrych, which I doubt is in any of the production builds at the
> moment. Maybe that solves part of the problem?
>
> As for the context menu: it was removed following some UI guidelines I
> got from (iirc) Eben. Some sort of stripped down context menu should be
> added back imo, as we also lost our spelling suggestions with removing
> it.
>
> Marc
>
> On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 22:54 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> > We need *way* more people in this thread if we want to get
> > out of it! ;-)
> >
> > Sorry for the excessive quoting: it's to give Martin, Uwog
> > and Sergey the whole context. Behdad is also on cc because
> > I remember he was quite a guru of these things (let us
> > know if you just want to be left in peace).
> >
> > I'd also be inclined to add devel@ because there seems to
> > be little reason to keep this discretion confidential.
> > Anyone opposed?
> >
> > ---8<---
> >
> > Arjun Sarwal wrote:
> >
> > > In my opinion this is something to do with using the correct font in
> > > Abiword. Bernie can perhaps comment better.
> >
> > Yes, there was quite a catch!
> >
> > If I remember correctly, AbiWord automatically switches to the
> > AM+ GTK input method when LANG=am_ET.UTF-8.
> >
> > The AM+ input method is designed to let you type in Amharic
> > using a US keyboard layout. So you'd get the Amharic characters
> > either way!
> >
> > Even worse, when you switch to the "am" layout, the input
> > method gets confused and should be turned off. To enable this,
> > there used to be a context menu to switch input methods, but it
> > went away in recent versions of the Write activity (I guess
> > intentionally, to be more compliant with our HIG). You may be
> > able to experiment more with the GTK edit widgets, which have
> > the menu still enabled.
> >
> > There was also a newer version of the AM+ input method in
> > the works, but I can't remember who was working on it. Jim
> > may have memory of it.
> >
> > To summarize: there's inconsistency/confusion between these
> > three things: the "am" xkb layout, AbiWord and the GTK input
> > method. In addition, eToys and other non-GTK activities will
> > not be able to use the input method. I'm unsure about Browse
> > because it's GTK, but through xulrunner. Which means it may
> > have problems of its own.
> >
> > I've been tracking these unsolved problems in my wiki:
> > http://www.codewiz.org/wiki/EthiopianLocale
> >
> > There are should also be a few bugs open in our Trac and
> > elsewhere. See the wiki page for references. Sorry I've let
> > these issues rot for months without reiterating. There were
> > plenty of higher priority blockers for Update.1 at the time,
> > and then I got sucked into other things.
> >
> > I cannot easily make an estimate of the effort required to
> > solve all these remaining issues because they mostly affects
> > layers above X11 which I'm quite unfamiliar with. Those
> > people I added to the Cc list hopefully know better than me.
> >
> > These things requires a good deal specialized knowledge to
> > get right. People like Arjun and myself may try to guess and
> > interpolate, but it's really the job of a true i18n engineer,
> > or at least someone who has an idea how Amharic input works
> > on regular Linux systems.
> >
> >
> > > Can you please confirm if you are observing exactly the same behavior
> > > as you described in the test above, in repeating the test in Terminal
> > > Activity ?
> >
> > What OLPC build are we talking about, by the way? Ethiopian
> > had far more problems in Ship.{1,2} than in the later builds
> > that eventually became Update.1.
> >
> >
> >
> > > thanks,
> > > Arjun
> > >
> > >> Does that help figure out what is going on?
> > >>
> > >> Kim
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2008/4/30 Arjun Sarwal <arjunsarwal at gmail.com>:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> 2008/5/1 Kim Quirk <kim at laptop.org>:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Arjun, Mitch,
> > >>>> I set the mfg-data to that which is found on:
> > >>>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mfg-data for ethiopia; then
> > >>>> reboot and reimaged 703... I am doing thi s on a B4 and can't get
> > >> English
> > >>>> characters. This was using the info Mitch provided (which I have
> been
> > >> using
> > >>>> to test mfg-data for a while now).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I haven't tried the KA setting... so I will try that next.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thank you for providing the location where this is kept. My
> > >>>> /etc/sysconfig/keyboard file looks like this:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> KEYTABLE="us"
> > >>>> XKB_MODEL="olpc"
> > >>>>
> > >>>> XKB_LAYOUT="us,et"
> > >>>> XKB_VARIANT="olpc2,basic"
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is the KEYTABLE the problem?
> > >>> No, it seems fine. I had just included the two lines to be changed
> in my
> > >> email.
> > >>> The complete /etc/sysconfig/keyboard file should like like this
> after
> > >> editing --
> > >>>
> > >>> KEYTABLE="us"
> > >>> XKB_MODEL="olpc"
> > >>> XKB_LAYOUT="us,et"
> > >>> XKB_VARIANT="olpc2,basic"
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On my laptop the virtual linux terminal is in english... All the
> sugar
> > >>>> typing is ONLY ethiopian characters.
> > >>> Please test on the Terminal Activity and not in the virtual linux
> > >>> terminal (Virtual terminal doesn't support alternate/multiple
> layouts
> > >>> AFAIK) You could also test in the Write Activity.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Arjun
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Kim
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2008/4/30 Mitch Bradley <wmb at laptop.org>:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> This information is not in the wiki because I don't want end users
> > >>>> changing mfg data, thus creating support headaches.
> > >>>>> For development testing, you can change a tag value with, for
> example:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ok " KL" $delete-tag
> > >>>>> ok add-tag KL us,pk
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The KA tag is somewhat more difficult because it has a long value
> with
> > >>>> binary data, so typing it in is error-prone. There is a script at
> > >>>> http://dev.laptop.org/~wmb/setka.zip<http://dev.laptop.org/%7Ewmb/setka.zip>that will do it for some keyboard
> > >>>> layouts that existed at the time I wrote the script.
> > >>>>> There is also a collection of Python scripts to make ".ka" files
> from
> > >> Wiki
> > >>>> pages.
> > >>>>> http://openbios.org/viewvc/cpu/x86/pc/olpc/?root=OpenFirmware
> look
> > >> for
> > >>>> parse*.py
> > >>>>> The script to use depends on the format of the keyboard table in
> the
> > >> wiki
> > >>>> page.
> > >>>>> Arjun Sarwal wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kim,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I set from within Sugar to use us(olpc2) as first layout and
> > >> et(basic)
> > >>>>>> as second and it works fine.
> > >>>>>> I have an MP Machine with US English keyboard running the latest
> 703
> > >>>> candidate.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> How you can do it from within Sugar is by editing
> > >>>> /etc/sysconfig/keyboard
> > >>>>>> and modify the following two lines to read as follows (leave the
> > >>>>>> other lines as they are) --
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> XKB_LAYOUT="us,et"
> > >>>>>> XKB_VARIANT="olpc2,basic"
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> then save this file and reboot the XO.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Upon reboot, test in the Terminal.
> > >>>>>> Type a few characters and you should see Amharic characters.
> Press
> > >> the
> > >>>>>> language switch key and you should see English characters, press
> the
> > >>>>>> language switch key again and you should see Amharic characters
> > >> again.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I couldn't find the link in the Team namespace on teamwiki to
> edit
> > >>>>>> tags in OFW. If you could point me to that page, I could test
> > >> setting
> > >>>>>> the tags in OFW and test out that aspect out too.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> thanks
> > >>>>>> Arjun
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> 2008/4/28 Zihaw Zhang(张正华) <Zihaw.Zhang at quantacn.com>:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Dear Kim,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Please tell us how can we to do next step? Shipping or hold
> > >>>> shipment
> > >>>>>>> and wait to update IMG or others? Our production line already
> > >> produced
> > >>>> a few
> > >>>>>>> SKU11 machines. If need to stop our production line to produce
> > >> SKU11?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Best wishes!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> EPBU QM Zihaw Zhang(张正华)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Tel:+86 21 37818168 Ext:14860
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Tech-com(shanghai)Computer Co.,Ltd
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> E-mail: Zihaw Zhang at quantacn.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 发件人: kim.quirk at gmail.com [mailto:kim.quirk at gmail.com] 代表 Kim
> Quirk
> > >>>>>>> 发送时间: 2008年4月26日 3:30
> > >>>>>>> 收件人: Arjun Sarwal
> > >>>>>>> 抄送: Xiang Wei(魏翔); Zihaw Zhang(张正华); Matt Huang (S嘉佑);
> > >>>> smithbone at gmail.com;
> > >>>>>>> Eric Jiang(江宗辉); production at laptop.org; Bernie Innocenti; Mitch
> > >>>> Bradley;
> > >>>>>>> Wayne Tsai(蔡汶钦); Devin Liu(⒅屹t)
> > >>>>>>> 主题: Re: 答复: [Production] 答复: sku 10 sku 11 doudt
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thanks Arjun,
> > >>>>>>> I am testing with 703 because I was convinced there wasn't any
> > >> real
> > >>>> support
> > >>>>>>> in 656. I can (and have) set mfg-data as if it is being set at
> > >>>> quanta... so
> > >>>>>>> I know that part is working.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I use $add-tag and $delete-tag from OFW. I also re-image the
> > >> laptop
> > >>>> with
> > >>>>>>> 703 after each major change to the mfg-data since I believe
> there
> > >>>> might be a
> > >>>>>>> problem with the 'first' time you boot after reimaging versus
> > >> trying
> > >>>> to make
> > >>>>>>> a change in mfg-data and just booting.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> So I think I'm doing everything right. But there seems to be no
> > >> way
> > >>>> to get
> > >>>>>>> English characters... only Ethiopian.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Also, the wiki mfg-data says 'olpc2,basic'. As I mentioned
> below,
> > >> I
> > >>>> tried
> > >>>>>>> both 'olpc2,basic' and 'olpc2,olpc' -- but neither of these let
> me
> > >> get
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>>>> the English character set. Once it is loaded, I also try to
> press
> > >> or
> > >>>> hold
> > >>>>>>> down the change keyboards key (lower right second from the
> > >> bottom).
> > >>>>>>> Kim
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2008/4/25 Arjun Sarwal <arjun at laptop.org>:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Kim,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I am sorry to go back one step and ask if a build prior to
> > >> Update.1
> > >>>> build
> > >>>>>>> is being used.
> > >>>>>>> The language switch key does not work for Ethiopian Keyboards
> in
> > >>>> those
> > >>>>>>> builds. Hence the XO doesn't know how to switch to English.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> However we have fixed it in Update.1 builds. If you are
> > >> experiencing
> > >>>> this
> > >>>>>>> problem in 703, please let me know -- we'd need to quickly
> review
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>> patches that have gone into Update.1
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The correct variants that we need for a Ethopian+English layout
> > >> are
> > >>>> --
> > >>>>>>> us -- olpc2
> > >>>>>>> et -- olpc
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Regarding setting these correctly within OFW, I don't have the
> > >>>> reference
> > >>>>>>> sheet for the various tags , so I can't comment on if you
> setting
> > >> them
> > >>>>>>> correctly or not. Perhaps Mitch/Bernie might be able to tell
> > >> better.
> > >>>>>>> Bernie: For you reference this is the upstream patch
> submission
> > >> we
> > >>>> had
> > >>>>>>> made for language switch key in Ethiopian layouts
> > >>>>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14225
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Please let me know if I can help in any other way.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> best,
> > >>>>>>> Arjun
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2008/4/25 Kim Quirk <kim at laptop.org>:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Zihaw, Xiang,
> > >>>>>>> You are correct that there is a problem with the default or
> > >> second
> > >>>>>>> language.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Bernie, Arjun,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The mfg-data for this keyboard is the only one that is using:
> > >>>> olpc2,basic
> > >>>>>>> for KV (keyboard variant). I tried changing that to
> 'olpc2,olpc'.
> > >> I
> > >>>> also
> > >>>>>>> tried removing the space in the KL variable (yours is 'us, et';
> > >> and I
> > >>>> think
> > >>>>>>> we want 'us,et'). Neither of these changes helped.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Please examine the mfg-data and tell me what you think could be
> > >>>> causing
> > >>>>>>> this laptop to come up in Ethiopian with no way to get English
> > >>>> characters...
> > >>>>>>> Thanks!!
> > >>>>>>> Kim
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2008/4/25 Xiang Wei(魏翔) <Xiang.Wei at quantacn.com>:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Daer Zihaw:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> About the SKU11,can not type and display Engliash language
> > >> under
> > >>>>>>> Terminal Application, I have verified with Image 703.the result
> is
> > >>>> fail
> > >>>>>>> .now~,I do the steps as below:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 1) Just only update IMG to 703 ,the firmware is still Q1D07
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> When boot into X-windows, all Appliaction can not display, blank
> > >> space
> > >>>> under
> > >>>>>>> XO
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2) update IMG to 703,and the firmware from Q1D07 to Q1D14
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> the symptom just as above ,then I copy Terminal-10.xo to USB ,
> > >> just
> > >>>> want to
> > >>>>>>> imitate the Terminal Application like OS install,then launch
> the
> > >>>>>>> Terminal,but type any key .it always display Ethiopia language
> > >> ,not
> > >>>> English
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I think that Image 703 can not fix the SKU11 problem ,so we
> > >> should
> > >>>> turn
> > >>>>>>> to Kim for her help.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Do you think so?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 发件人: production-bounces at lists.laptop.org
> > >>>>>>> [mailto:production-bounces at lists.laptop.org] 代表 Zihaw Zhang(张正华)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 发送时间: 2008年4月25日 星期五 9:43
> > >>>>>>> 收件人: Kim Quirk; Bezier Huang(黄其敏); Bernie Innocenti; Arjun
> > >> Sarwal;
> > >>>> Mitch
> > >>>>>>> Bradley
> > >>>>>>> 抄送: Matt Huang (S嘉佑); Catherine Yin(殷洁); smithbone at gmail.com;
> > >> Eric
> > >>>>>>> Jiang(江宗辉); Min Xia(夏敏); production at laptop.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 主题: [Production] 答复: sku 10 sku 11 doudt
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Dear Kim,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> What about SKU11 problem? It is also urgent. Thanks!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> SKU11 question: When we test terminal function, need to input
> > >> command,
> > >>>> but
> > >>>>>>> it only can input ETH language, we can't input English. But the
> OS
> > >>>> can't
> > >>>>>>> know ETH language. So we have no way to verify the function. We
> > >> don't
> > >>>> know
> > >>>>>>> how shift English.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Best wishes!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> EPBU QM Zihaw Zhang(张正华)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Tel:+86 21 37818168 Ext:14860
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Tech-com(shanghai)Computer Co.,Ltd
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> E-mail: Zihaw Zhang at quantacn.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 发件人: kim.quirk at gmail.com [mailto:kim.quirk at gmail.com] 代表 Kim
> Quirk
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 发送时间: 2008年4月25日 0:29
> > >>>>>>> 收件人: Bezier Huang(黄其敏); Bernie Innocenti; Arjun Sarwal; Mitch
> > >> Bradley
> > >>>>>>> 抄送: wad at laptop.org; smithbone at gmail.com; production at laptop.org;
> > >> Gary
> > >>>>>>> Liu(刘坤政); Matt Huang (S嘉佑); Luna Huang (S玲); Devin Liu(⒅屹t);
> > >>>> Catherine
> > >>>>>>> Yin(殷洁); Zihaw Zhang(张正华); Eva Liu(刘颖); Eric Jiang(江宗辉); Min
> > >> Xia(夏敏)
> > >>>>>>> 主题: Re: sku 10 sku 11 doudt
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I updated a laptop here to 703, changed mfg-data to SKU10, and
> the
> > >> ?/
> > >>>> keys
> > >>>>>>> work just fine in both the terminal and Abiword.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I think that means it is ok.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You can produce these.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>> Kim
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2008/4/24 Kim Quirk <kim at laptop.org>:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Mitch, Arjun, Bernie - do you think the problems described below
> > >> are
> > >>>> fixed
> > >>>>>>> in a newer release? Might it be a problem in mfg-data (like the
> > >> 'KA'
> > >>>> tag)?
> > >>>>>>> It would be OK if the problems seen will be fixed when a newer
> OS
> > >> is
> > >>>> used.
> > >>>>>>> We will have to ask the countries to upgrade when the laptops
> get
> > >> into
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>>> field (which is normal). If the problem can NOT be fixed with an
> > >>>> upgrade...
> > >>>>>>> then what should be done now?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>> Kim
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2008/4/24 Bezier Huang(黄其敏) <Bezier.Huang at quantacn.com>:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Dear kim
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> We have 2 doubts on sku 10 and sku 11
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 1, on sku 10, we cann't use "?/" key as attached file in
> > >> terminal,
> > >>>> but
> > >>>>>>> we can use it in workpad ,is right?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2, on sku 11, we can't type command in terminal, only can
> type
> > >>>> word in
> > >>>>>>> Amharic, how to shift? If can't shift, can we drop this test ?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Please give me answer ASAP
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thank you
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Bezier Huang
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Arjun Sarwal
> > >>>>>>> Intern, One Laptop per Child
> > >>>>>>> Email: arjun at laptop.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> IRC: arjs on irc.freenode.net in #olpc, #olpc-health, #sugar
> > >>>>>>> Skype: arjunsarwal85
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>> Production mailing list
> > >>>>>> Production at lists.laptop.org
> > >>>>>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/production
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Arjun Sarwal
> > >>> Intern, One Laptop per Child
> > >>> Email: arjun at laptop.org
> > >>> IRC: arjs on irc.freenode.net in #olpc, #olpc-health, #sugar
> > >>>
> >
> >
>
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