Cmap tools (with image customization cross over)

Tue Dec 23 17:18:46 EST 2008

On 24.12.2008, at 00:16, david at lang.hm wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Greg Smith wrote:
>
>> Hi Bert,
>>
>> That strategy sounds good to me if its easy. You still need a custom
>> "image" because the end result should be something which can be  
>> quickly
>> installed on 10K or more XOs via:
>> - USB
>> - olpc-update over WAN or from XS
>> - NAND Blaster
>>
>> That said, making it an activity would make it easy to use the  
>> existing
>> customization key.
>>
>> How hard is it to do what you suggest? Would you be interested in  
>> making
>> a "Cmap running inside X window activity" .xo bundle?
>
> would this end up duplicating the 'X window activity' into each  
> similar application?

Yes.

- Bert -

> David Lang
>
>> I think that would simplify the discussion with them and clarify  
>> how it
>> might work.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Greg S
>>
>> Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>> The better approach would be to install everything into the bundle
>>> directory itself. Then simply zip it and you should have a working  
>>> xo
>>> bundle. A custom build should not be necessary for this.
>>>
>>> - Bert -
>>>
>>> On 23.12.2008, at 21:35, Greg Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Bert,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. It was actually right click for me but that did it.
>>>>
>>>> I installed the Cmap tools from within the X activity and it mostly
>>>> worked.
>>>>
>>>> A few oddities in the X activity like the arrow keys not working  
>>>> but
>>>> nothing fatal.
>>>>
>>>> I'll follow up with the Cmap people and see if they can move it  
>>>> ahead
>>>> some more.
>>>>
>>>> Dan,
>>>>
>>>> Here's a good use case for the "image customization" feature. To
>>>> install Cmap, I open the X activity, downloaded a zip, then  
>>>> unpacked
>>>> it which created a bin file. I made that executable and ran it  
>>>> which
>>>> launched an installer which installed Java and some other stuff  
>>>> into a
>>>> directory I chose (data). I also assume they would want to tweak  
>>>> the X
>>>> activity initrc file to make it launch Cmap automatically. The  
>>>> whole
>>>> thing is within a Rainbow instance but I believe its re-usable if  
>>>> its
>>>> in the data directory.
>>>>
>>>> Would your customization stick strategy allow me to make this whole
>>>> thing part of an image installable on many XOs as described?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Greg S
>>>>
>>>> Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>>>> Click to bring up a menu and open a terminal.
>>>>> Alternatively, edit the ".xinitrc" file to auto-launch any X
>>>>> applications you want started ("xterm &" is a common choice)  
>>>>> before
>>>>> executing the window manager. This is also how you would bundle  
>>>>> and
>>>>> launch a regular X app like cmap.
>>>>> - Bert -
>>>>> On 23.12.2008, at 16:34, Greg Smith wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Michael and Bert,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It got quiet enough that I had a chance to try this myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried installing and running the X activity and I tried  
>>>>>> following
>>>>>> the instructions here:
>>>>>> http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/12/run_a_nested_x11_desktop_on_th.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In both cases I got a gray screen with a "bar" showing  
>>>>>> "Workspace"
>>>>>> with two triangles next to it (left and right facing) on the left
>>>>>> side of the bar and the time with the same triangles on the  
>>>>>> right side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't see my pointer in the Hackfest version but I did in  
>>>>>> the X
>>>>>> window version. In both cases I didn't see any place to enter  
>>>>>> text
>>>>>> (e.g. a window). Am I missing something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was hoping to get an X window with a prompt so I could install
>>>>>> CMap tools from there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any suggestions appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg S
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>> Picking up this old thread
>>>>>>> (http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-September/018835.html 
>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>> I want to move this forward again.
>>>>>>> There is a beta version of a smaller Linux implementation of  
>>>>>>> CMap
>>>>>>> tools now. Download it from here:
>>>>>>> http://cmap.ihmc.us/download/cmaplite.php
>>>>>>> Does anyone have time to try running this inside of the X  
>>>>>>> windows
>>>>>>> activity mentioned below?
>>>>>>> While we have some traction on other concept map tools (thanks
>>>>>>> Tomeu for Labrynth), CMap is "incumbent" in a number of  
>>>>>>> countries
>>>>>>> and I want to figure out how close we are to supporting it. It  
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> affect our ability to get XOs and Sugar in to more schools  
>>>>>>> systems
>>>>>>> so its certainly valuable work.
>>>>>>> Let me know if anyone has a chance to try this out and document
>>>>>>> what it will take to make it work.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Greg S
>>>>>>> *************
>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at
>>>>>>> freudenbergs.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 04.09.2008 um 01:06 schrieb Michael Stone:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 05:33:28PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone tried making the activity which is X-windows and  
>>>>>>>>>> inside
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> other activities can run?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1] and [2] seem apropos.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1]: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7768#comment:8
>>>>>>>>> [2]:
>>>>>>> http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/12/run_a_nested_x11_desktop_on_th.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I couldn't resist making an activity for that:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/X
>>>>>>> Anybody has any idea about how to make xephyr use the  
>>>>>>> clipboard of the
>>>>>>> external X server? DND may be even harder.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Tomeu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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