Sugar & XFCE

[Sebastian Silva]

But now that you mentioned it, bonus points for getting a tightly 
integrated Debian based XFCE4 (with as little trouble as possible). Only 
thing I dont like about this is losing the native and standard sugar... 
but oh well its just to compare and make adults feel more at home.

Sebastian

david at lang.hm wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2008, Sebastian Silva wrote:
>
>> Here's a delicate scenario that I see:
>> Inevitably, when comparing the XOs running Sugar to those running
>> Windows for evaluation (this is happening *right now*) - MMSs (that
>> is, Microsoft&Ministries) will argue not only on GNU+Linux vs. Windows
>> technical merits, but also the GUI will come up as a possible fatal
>> comparison.
>> So techies will then install XFCE for comparison, perhaps they'll
>> request F10 for that...
>> Only XFCE is currently vanilla on the repositories and fancy
>> integration like volume and brightness, DPI, etc isnt well integrated
>> at all by default, as well as many useful separate widgets for
>> networking, battery status and so on.
>> Its funny: In this scenario, you can actually share more on windows
>> (via file sharing) than on linux (at least with the gui).
>> So here's an idea Homunq gave us yesterday:
>> This is the perfect project for a G1G1 hacker. Probably one already
>> did it. Lets challenge them, via OLPCNews, to release "pimp up xfce on
>> F9" procedures (maybe even scripts and themepacks) - so that it is as
>> simple and as trouble free to install a working, beautiful, lean and
>> mean XFCE4 on the NAND that we can proudly compare with sluggish
>> windows on the SD.
>> Please could we request this to wayan and spread it?
>
> the biggest problem has been in getting started (getting a system 
> image that could boot and use the normal distro tools)
>
> debxo is a good example of a bootstrap for debian, it is a set of 
> scripts that use the standard distro package tools to create a system 
> image that they can boot into and start tweaking. what it's missing is 
> a good way to let the users extract the results of their tweaks to 
> submit upstream.
>
> if you want the type of work you are looking for to happen on Fedora 
> someone needs to package up a similar set of scripts.
>
>
>
>> 2008/12/5 Mikus Grinbergs <mikus at bga.com>:
>>> Carlos wrote (regarding Sugar on an XO):
>>>>
>>>> Apps need to be sugarized.
>>>
>>> This is true when Sugar is the primary interface of the target user
>>> population.  But the "Subject" of this topic is XFCE.  I am going to
>>> make the assumption that an user sophisticated enough to use XFCE
>>> will be sophisticated enough not to need the simplified GUI that
>>> sugarization provides.
>>>
>>> I myself have had reasonable success installing Linux applications
>>> on my XO, then launching them from the command line.  [And launching
>>> from Terminal bypasses Rainbow's restrictions on applications.]
>>>
>>> I keep wondering, considering Moore's Law and the availability of
>>> netbooks, why shoehorn specifically Sugar (and the XO) into
>>> competing for the "traditional_Linux_interface" laptop role ?
>>>
>>> mikus
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