[OLPC Brasil] Brasil Digest, Vol 22, Issue 56
Antonio Carlos
amarques14 at gmail.com
Wed Dec 19 10:48:51 EST 2007
Não Gostei...Tenho os Dois, e prefiro XO. Creio que o Classmate não é um
projeto educacional
Em 19/12/07, brasil-request at lists.laptop.org <
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> 1. Re: andamento da licita??o (Jaime Balbino)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0200
> From: "Jaime Balbino" <jaimebalb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC Brasil] andamento da licita??o
> To: " Jos? Antonio " <joseantoniorocha at gmail.com>
> Cc: OLPC Brasil <Brasil at laptop.org>
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> Hummm... Estou aqui pensando...
>
> O Classmate n?o tem mesmo rede Mesh, c?mera, microfone, especifica??es
> de tela...
>
> Al?m disso ele ? usa um Celeron adaptado para trabalhar com
> dispositivos m?veis, o consumo neste caso ? alto. O seu primo mais
> novo, o Eee da Asus, tem uma dura??o da bateria muito aqu?m do
> esperado (menos de 2 horas). O edital exige ao menos 3 horas de carga.
>
> N?o sei quais ser?o os procedimentos do leil?o daqui para a frente.
> Provavelmente s? a Positivo poder? fazer ofertas agora, se ela n?o
> cobrir o "pre?o de refer?ncia" n?o sei se dar?o oportunidade aos
> demais concorrentes. Pode ser que simplesmente aceitem a melhor
> proposta da Positivo ou cancelem/suspendam o leil?o alegando falta de
> verba.
>
> Se ganhar, a Positivo ter? que enviar m?quinas e softwares para
> an?lise em 48 horas (ou at? depois do natal). Caso n?o cumpra as
> exig?ncias teremos um embr?lio para resolver, porque todos os demais
> concorrentes poder?o recorrer alegando alguma coisa.
>
> Espero sinceramente que os procedimentos prevejam mais uma chance
> ainda hoje para os demais concorrentes. Assim a SIMM/OLPC poderia
> fazer uma oferta digna e ousada.
>
> Um abra?o,
> Jaime.
>
>
> Em 19/12/07, Jos? Antonio<joseantoniorocha at gmail.com> escreveu:
> > Hum... agora v?m os testes de ader?ncia ?s especifica??es. Vamos ver.
> >
> > On Dec 19, 2007 12:41 PM, Alexandre Van de Sande
> > <alexandrevandesande at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > ent?o a positivo inform?tica tem um laptop que faz mesh networking,
> tem
> > camera, microfone e que atende as exigencias de tela e resistencia do
> > edital?
> >
> >
> > --
> > nome: "Jos? Antonio Meira da Rocha" tratamento: "Prof. MS."
> > atividade: "Pesquisa e aprendizado em m?dias digitais"
> > googletalk: email: MSN: joseantoniorocha at gmail.com
> > ICQ: 658222 Skype: "meiradarocha_jor"
> > ve?culos: [ http://meiradarocha.jor.br http://olpcitizen.blogspot.com ]
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:38:45 -0200
> From: "Jaime Balbino" <jaimebalb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC Brasil] {Disarmed} Re: andamento da licita??o
> To: "OLPC Brasil" <brasil at laptop.org>
> Message-ID: <66d1f500712190738he08e2f9ubb62bea618dd10d at mail.gmail.com>
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> No come?o evitei afirmar que seria o Classmate o micro da Positivo,
> apesar das promessas j? feitas de parceria com a Intel. No entanto,
> fazendo outras buscas r?pidas, n?o encontrei nada que indicasse que a
> Positivo ou a CCE estivessem trabalhando com outro equipamento.
>
> Ao darem suas ofertas a Positivo e a CEE tiveram a oportunidade de
> dizer a marca e modelo do equipamento ofertado, mas n?o disseram nada
> de significativo.
>
> A OLPC fechou com a SIMM de Campinas. Por enquanto n?o d? para
> acreditar que outro concorrente esteja tamb?m trabalhando com a OLPC.
>
> Pode ser que a Positivo tenha conseguido fechar com, por exemplo, a
> Asus e seu Eee. Mas n?o encontrei nada que corrobore isso.
>
> Ficamos todos com o mais prov?vel. Mas ? claro que todos podemos estar
> redondamente enganados. O Prof. Shara disse que o Classmate tem rede
> Mesh. Ser? que poderia dar mais detalhes? Achei que a Intel fosse dar
> prefer?ncia irrestrita a suas patentes.
>
> Outra coisa professor. Por acaso saberia o senhor sabe mais alguma
> coisa sobre a Positivo (ou CCE) para ajudar a fermentar mais nossas
> "viagens"?
>
> Um abra?o,
> Jaime.
>
> Em 19/12/07, Paulo Drummond<ptdrumm at terra.com.br> escreveu:
> > Caro Schara,
> >
> > N?o acredito que se esteja assumindo tal a "ferro e fogo", por enquanto.
> > Creio at? que o Jaime esteja inferindo, da memsma forma que eu (e outros
> > tamb?m) com base nas not?cias que ? at? agora ? t?m sido veiculadas.
> Mas...
> > c? entre n?s, por que seria outro?
> >
> > ? paulo
> >
> >
> > On Dec 19, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Luiz Magalhaes wrote:
> >
> > Voc?s n?o podem assumir que a positivo vai vender o classmate.
> >
> > --schara
> >
> > PS. Mas o classmate tem mesh.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alexandre Van de Sande
> > To: Paulo Drummond
> > Cc: OLPC Brasil
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:41 PM
> > Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [OLPC Brasil] andamento da licita??o
> >
> > ent?o a positivo inform?tica tem um laptop que faz mesh networking, tem
> > camera, microfone e que atende as exigencias de tela e resistencia do
> > edital?
> >
> >
> > On Dec 19, 2007 12:34 PM, Paulo Drummond < ptdrumm at terra.com.br> wrote:
> > > Tratamento Diferenciado: -
> > > Situa??o do Item: Realizar Aceita??o Qtde Aceita:
> > > 0
> > >
> > > CNPJ/CPF Raz?o Social/Nome Porte
> > > ME/EPP Declara??o
> > > ME/EPP Qtde
> > > Ofertada Melhor Lance
> > > (R$) Data/Hora
> > > Melhor Lance Valor Negoc.
> > > (R$) Situa??o do Lance
> > > 81.243.735/0001-48 POSITIVO INFORMATICA S/A N?o N?o
> > 150.000
> > > 98.180.000,0000 19/12/2007 12:15:31:553
> > > Marca: Positivo Inform?tica
> > > Fabricante: POSITIVO INFORM?TICA S.A.
> > > Descri??o Complementar: Atende plenamente as especifica??es,
> > > condi??es e prazos exigidos no edital e anexos.
> > > 07.130.025/0001-59 DIGIBRAS INDUSTRIA DO BRASIL S/A Sim
> > N?o
> > > 150.000 98.800.000 ,0000 19/12/2007 12:12:55:287
> > > Marca: CCE - Modelo CM 21
> > > Fabricante: Digibras
> > > Descri??o Complementar: Informamos que atendemos todos os requisitos
> > > do Edital conforme Item 8 do anexo 1
> > > 06.964.587/0001-35 SIMM - SOLUCOES INTELIGENTES PARA MERCADO
> MOVEL
> > > DO BRAS N?o N?o 150.000 104.595.000,0000
> > 19/12/2007 11:58:57:583
> > > Marca: OLPC XO
> > > Fabricante: OLPC
> > > Descri??o Complementar: Computador Laptop Educacional Desenvolvido
> > > para Utiliza??o por Crian?as
> > > 01.169.999/0001-60 REIFASA COMERCIAL LTDA Sim N?o
> 150.000
> > > 113.999.990,9900 19/12/2007 11:53:41:430
> > > Marca: CCE
> > > Fabricante: CCE
> > > Descri??o Complementar: Atende a todas as especifica??es do edital.
> > > 54.526.082/0004-84 ITAUTEC S.A. - GRUPO ITAUTEC N?o N?o
> > 150.000
> > > 175.579.460,0000 18/12/2007 15:19:06:850
> > > Marca: Itautec
> > > Fabricante: Itautec
> > > Descri??o Complementar: De acordo com as especifica??es do Edital n?
> > > 59/2007 e seus Anexos
> > > 03.474.553/0001-74 TELIS ELETRONICOS LTDA. N?o N?o
> > 150.000
> > > 450.000.000,0000 18/12/2007 14:45:03:380
> > > Marca: Pacific Network
> > > Fabricante: Pacific Network
> > > Descri??o Complementar: Lap To conforme descri??o do edital.
> > > 08.762.474/0001-82 AUTOSIS INFORMATICA LTDA EPP Sim Sim
> > 150.000
> > > 750.000.000,0000 18/12/2007 14:45:03:397
> > > Marca: SONY
> > > Fabricante: SONY
> > > Descri??o Complementar: ESPECIFICAC?ES EM NOSSA PROPOSTA
> > > 05.201.844/0001-14 MAIS IMAGEM LOCACOES LTDA EPP Sim Sim
> > 150.000
> > > LimpaMail avisa: links num?ricos tamb?m s?o maliciosos: 2.250.000.000
> ,0000
> > 18/12/2007 14:45:03:397
> > > Marca: acer / sony vaio
> > > Fabricante: acer / sony vaio
> > > Descri??o Complementar: descri??o conforme edital e seus anexos
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 19, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Jaime Balbino wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Como voc? sabe que foi da Positivo, Paulo?
> > > >
> > > > Em 19/12/07, Paulo Drummond<ptdrumm at terra.com.br> escreveu:
> > > >>
> > > >> On Dec 19, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Jaime Balbino wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> A fase de lance est? encerrada. O melhor lance foi de 98,18
> milh?es
> > > >>> de reais.
> > > >>
> > > >> Da Positivo (Classmate)
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> O pregoeiro ainda afirma que o valor ? alto, por isso o leil?o
> > > >>> entrar?
> > > >>> em uma nova fase de negocia??o via chat direto com ele.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Vamos continuar acompanhando.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> O Alexandre e eu achamos que o "pre?o de refer?ncia" n?o deve ser
> > > >>> US$
> > > >>> 250, mas algo pr?ximo dos US$ 350 para poder incluir os impostos
> > > >>> e os
> > > >>> demais compromissos. Se for isso, o ?ltimo valor ofertado n?o
> estar?
> > > >>> longe da meta do governo, que seria de US$ 94,5 milh?es
> > > >>> aproximadamente.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Um abra?o,
> > > >>> Jaime.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> MINIST?RIO DA EDUCA??O
> > > >>> Fundo Nacional de Desenvolvimento da Educa??o
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Preg?o n? 592007 - Eletr?nico
> > > >>> Objeto: Objeto: Preg?o Eletr?nico - Contrata??o de empresa
> > > >>> especializada para fornecimento de 150.000 equipamentos port?teis
> > > >>> denominados laptops educacionais, para atendimento de 300 escolas
> do
> > > >>> Piloto do Projeto ?Um Computador por Aluno (UCA), na forma e
> > > >>> condi??es
> > > >>> estabelecidas no Edital e seus anexos.
> > > >>> Data da Realiza??o (in?cio dos lances): 18/12/2007 14:30
> > > >>> Data da Abertura da Sess?o: 18/12/2007 14:45
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Para ver as propostas recebidas, clique sobre o n?mero do item.
> > > >>> Item Descri??o Tratamento
> > > >>> Diferenciado Situa??o Melhor Lance
> > > >>> 1 MICROCOMPUTADOR PESSOAL TIPO LAPTOP - Realizar
> > > >>> Aceita??o R$
> > > >>> 98.180.000,0000
> > > >>> Tratamento Diferenciado Tipo I: Participa??o Exclusiva de ME/EPP
> > > >>> Tratamento Diferenciado Tipo II: Exig?ncia de subcontrata??o de
> > > >>> ME/EPP
> > > >>> Tratamento Diferenciado Tipo III: Cota para participa??o exclusiva
> > > >>> de ME/EPP
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> MINIST?RIO DA EDUCA??O
> > > >>> Fundo Nacional de Desenvolvimento da Educa??o
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Preg?o n? 592007 - Eletr?nico
> > > >>> Objeto: Objeto: Preg?o Eletr?nico - Contrata??o de empresa
> > > >>> especializada para fornecimento de 150.000 equipamentos port?teis
> > > >>> denominados laptops educacionais, para atendimento de 300 escolas
> do
> > > >>> Piloto do Projeto ?Um Computador por Aluno (UCA), na forma e
> > > >>> condi??es
> > > >>> estabelecidas no Edital e seus anexos.
> > > >>> Data da Realiza??o (in?cio dos lances): 18/12/2007 14:30
> > > >>> Data da Abertura da Sess?o: 18/12/2007 14:45
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Para ver as propostas recebidas, clique sobre o n?mero do item.
> > > >>> Item Descri??o Tratamento
> > > >>> Diferenciado Situa??o Melhor Lance
> > > >>> 1 MICROCOMPUTADOR PESSOAL TIPO LAPTOP - Realizar
> > > >>> Aceita??o R$
> > > >>> 98.180.000,0000
> > > >>> Tratamento Diferenciado Tipo I: Participa??o Exclusiva de ME/EPP
> > > >>> Tratamento Diferenciado Tipo II: Exig?ncia de subcontrata??o de
> > > >>> ME/EPP
> > > >>> Tratamento Diferenciado Tipo III: Cota para participa??o exclusiva
> > > >>> de ME/EPP
> > > >>>
> > > >>> sos do leil?o. Se o valor for esse o ?ltimo valor ofertado n?o
> est?
> > > >>> longe do
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<jaimebalb at gmail.com > escreveu:
> > > >>>> Rompemos a barreira dos 100! A melhores ofertas foram 99,736
> > > >>>> milh?es
> > > >>>> de reais e de 99,4 milh?es agora.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<jaimebalb at gmail.com> escreveu:
> > > >>>>> O pregoeiro ame?ou revogar o leil?o se os valores n?o chegarem
> ao
> > > >>>>> "pre?o de refer?ncia" que s? ele sabe qual ?.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> O menor lance at? agora ? 101,5 milh?es de reais.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> E continua caindo...
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Jaime Balbino
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<jaimebalb at gmail.com> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>> O pre?o continua caindo com v?rias ofertas, a ?ltima ? de 103,7
> > > >>>>>> milh?es ou R$ 691,33. Se o governo tirar os impostos como
> > > >>>>>> prometeu o
> > > >>>>>> valor final ficar? abaixo de R$ 350 por m?quina.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Mesmo assim o pregoeiro avisou mais uma vez que os valores
> est?o
> > > >>>>>> "muito acima" do esperado e aguarda mais "propostas efetivas".
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> N?o d? para saber at? onde isso ? verdade ou se ? s? "ca?" do
> > > >>>>>> preogoeiro.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Um abra?o,
> > > >>>>>> Jaime.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<jaimebalb at gmail.com> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>> Outra oferta de 105,45 milh?es de reais ou R$ 703.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<jaimebalb at gmail.com> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>> A estrat?gia parece que funcionou, a melhor oferta agora ?
> > > >>>>>>>> 107,92
> > > >>>>>>>> milh?es de reais.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino< jaimebalb at gmail.com> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>>> Algu?m ofertou R$ 109,7 milh?es!
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<jaimebalb at gmail.com> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> A queda livre continua a menos de 1 minuto do encerramento.
> > > >>>>>>>>>> O melhor
> > > >>>>>>>>>> valor agora ? R$ 116 milh?es.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Um abra?o,
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Jaime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<jaimebalb at gmail.com > escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> O melhor lance at? agora ? de 117,8 milh?es. Faltam 7
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> minutos para o
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> t?rmino do leil?o.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino< jaimebalb at gmail.com> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> As ofertas est?o aparecendo muito r?pido, agora j?
> estamos
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> em 118,35
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> milh?es. Mas o pregoeiro fala:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> (19/12/2007 11:36:54) ? com muita tristeza que
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> informamos que os
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> lances ainda est?o muito acima da expectativa da
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Administra??o e do
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or?amento previsto para esta aquisi??o, mesmo com a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> proximidade do
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> per?odo de 'Encerramento Aleat?rio'. Voltamos a lembrar
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> que seremos
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> obrigados a cancelar o certame caso a expectativa
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or?ament?ria n?o
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> seja alcan?ada.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ou seja, o leil?o pode dar em nada!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> N?o sei se o pregoeiro ir? divulgar o tal "valor de
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> refer?ncia" para
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> for?ar um acordo de ?ltima hora.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Um abra?o,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino< jaimebalb at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Os lances est?o r?pidos, agora ? 118,5. menos 100 mil em
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rela??o ao anterior.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> N?o d? para saber se ? o mesmo licitante tentando chegar
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ao valor "de
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> refer?ncia" ou se est? havendo disputa.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Um abra?o,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino< jaimebalb at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agora o lance ? de 118,6 milh?es. Uma redu??o rid?cula
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> para a proposta
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anterior, mas bem consider?vel para o primeiro melhor
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lance de ontem,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior aos 140 milh?es de reais.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino< jaimebalb at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mais um lance um pouquinho melhor, de 118,699 milh?es,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ou seja R$ 1,34
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mais barato que o anterior por m?quina.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<jaimebalb at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O melhor valor agora ? 118,7 milh?es de reais ou R$
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 791,33 por m?quina.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E o leil?o est? acabando, pregoeiro fala:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (19/12/2007 11:19:34) Aten??o! Entramos no per?odo
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de 'Imin?ncia de
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Encerramento' no qual os lances podem e devem
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuar a ser
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encaminhados, principalmente em fun??o de que
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuam muito elevados
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> em rela??o ao pre?o de refer?ncia da Administra??o.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ou seja os pre?os continuam altos para o pregoeiro,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mas o leil?o se
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encerr? mesmo assim, aleatoriamente, ap?s ?s 11:47h.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mas o preogeiro tamb?m alega que: "Todavia,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comunicamos que caso n?o
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seja alcan?ada a meta de pre?o pretendida pela
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Administra??o, o preg?o
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n?o ser? adjudicado."
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ou seja, quem ganhar n?o necessariamente ir? levar.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino< jaimebalb at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rompemos a barreira dos 120. O melhor lance agora ?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de 119,2 milh?es.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<jaimebalb at gmail.com >
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mais um lance abaixo de 123,5 milh?es de reais ou
> R$
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 823 por m?quina.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<jaimebalb at gmail.com >
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Os lances est?o abaixando, j? diminu?ram do
> entorno
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de 127 milh?es de
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reais para 124,9 milh?es. Uma redu??o bem
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider?vel.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mas o pregoeiro continua insistindo que o valor
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> est? alto e pede
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tamb?m que a composi??o de pre?os inclua todos os
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impostos por
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escrito.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> N?o d? para saber quem deu o lance ou se todas
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essas redu??es s?o do
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mesmo concorrente ou ainda se est? havendo uma
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disputa entre dois ou
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mais concorrentes.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um abra?o,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 18/12/07, Jaime Balbino< jaimebalb at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dei uma olhada agora. O leil?o ficou suspenso ?s
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 18:00h e ser?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retomado amanh? cedo (9:30h). O menor valor agora
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? 128,26 milh?es de
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reais, quase 20 milh?es de diferen?a para a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> primeira proposta maisd
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> baixa.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eu e outros erramos feio ao achar que o pre?o n?o
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poderia cair mais.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mas o pregoeiro ainda afirma que o valor est? bem
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acima do "pre?o de
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refer?ncia", que s? ele sabe qual ?.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abaixo transcrevo as ?ltimas mensagens do
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pregoeiro:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "(18/12/2007 18:02:24) Senhores, chegamos ao
> final
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deste dia sem que
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> houvesse uma redu??o de pre?os realmente
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significativa, sendo que os
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valores cotados permanecem completamente
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inaceit?veis.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (18/12/2007 18:03:02) Desta forma, considerando
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> que os pre?os cotados
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanecem MUITO altos em rela??o ao pre?o de
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refer?ncia da
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Administra??o, o que impede de entrar no per?odo
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de imin?ncia de
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encerramento, suspenderemos o preg?o neste
> momento
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para avalia??o.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Retornaremos amanh?, 19/12/2007, ?s 9:30h, com
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> novas informa??es,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ficando desde j? todos os licitantes convocados a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acompanhar.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (18/12/2007 18:04:00) Nesse ?nterim, pedimos o
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> esfor?o de todos no
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sentido de revisar suas planilhas de custos, a
> fim
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de cotar pre?os
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compat?veis com aquele or?ado pela Administra??o.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (18/12/2007 18:04:22) Obrigado!"
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um abra?o,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 18/12/07, Jos? Antonio
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < joseantoniorocha at gmail.com> escreveu:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ItemDescri??oTratamento
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DiferenciadoSitua??oMelhor Lance
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ItemDescri??oTratamento
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DiferenciadoSitua??oMelhor Lance
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MICROCOMPUTADOR PESSOAL TIPO LAPTOP - Aberto
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para Lances 1 MICROCOMPUTADOR PESSOAL TIPO
> LAPTOP
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Aberto para Lances R$ 129.700.000,0000
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2007 5:52 PM, Jos? Antonio
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < joseantoniorocha at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pequenos c?lculos com o pre?o atual aqui:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > key=pH0vKjJkMrh3kdYXJ2dlaJA&hl=pt_BR
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2007 5:50 PM, Jos? Antonio
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <joseantoniorocha at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pregoeiro fala:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (18/12/2007 17:41:38) Comunicamos que n?o est?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sendo levada em considera??o qualquer redu??o
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de pre?o com base em conv?nio publicado nesta
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ItemDescri??oTratamento
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DiferenciadoSitua??oMelhor Lance
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MICROCOMPUTADOR PESSOAL TIPO LAPTOP - Aberto
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para Lances R$ 140.100.000,0000
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2007 3:29 PM, Jaime Balbino
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jaimebalb at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pessoal,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Estou acompanhando a licita??o de 150 mil
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptops. O processo come?ou
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14:45 (previsto incialmente para 14:30h).
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tivemos 8 propostas, a mais alta foi de mais
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de 2 bilh?es de reais
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pelos 150 mil laptops.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A mais baixa foi de 143 milh?es de reais. N?o
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d? para saber quem fez a oferta.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Este valor mais baixo significa 953 reais por
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop. O problema ? que
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o governo quer pagar 300 d?lares por m?quina
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no m?ximo. O que d? hoje
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 840 reais por laptop.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O leiloeiro est? insistindo para que os
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participantes refa?am a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposta para se chegar a um valor mais
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pr?ximo destes US$300 por
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sinceramente acho muito dif?cil o pre?o cair
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mais, j? que cada m?quina
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deve pagar todos os impostos normais, incluir
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o software do servidor e
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ainda cada licitante tem que oferecer
> garantia
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de 3 anos para o laptop
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e o software do servidor.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A OLPC, que teria um pre?o bom, custa 342
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reais hoje (sem frete),
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somando-se todos os impostos o pre?o tende
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dobrar e cada OLPC sair?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> por 700 reais! Some-se o custo individual da
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garantia de 3 anos, o
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> custo de instala??o do servidor (no caso da
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OLPC o desenvolvimento do
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software j? est? feito) e o risco (que ?
> alto)
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fica dif?cil oferecer
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> um valor razo?vel.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mas vamos continuar acompanhando.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um abra?o,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nome: "Jos? Antonio Meira da Rocha"
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tratamento: "Prof. MS."
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atividade: "Pesquisa e aprendizado em m?dias
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digitais"
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> googletalk: email: MSN:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joseantoniorocha at gmail.com
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ICQ: 658222 Skype: "meiradarocha_jor"
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ve?culos: [ http://meiradarocha.jor.br http://
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olpcitizen.blogspot.com ]
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nome: "Jos? Antonio Meira da
> Rocha" tratamento:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Prof. MS."
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atividade: "Pesquisa e aprendizado em m?dias
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digitais"
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> googletalk: email: MSN:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joseantoniorocha at gmail.com
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ICQ: 658222 Skype: "meiradarocha_jor"
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ve?culos: [ http://meiradarocha.jor.br http://
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olpcitizen.blogspot.com ]
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nome: "Jos? Antonio Meira da Rocha" tratamento:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Prof. MS."
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atividade: "Pesquisa e aprendizado em m?dias
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digitais"
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> googletalk: email: MSN:
> joseantoniorocha at gmail.com
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ICQ: 658222 Skype: "meiradarocha_jor"
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ve?culos: [ http://meiradarocha.jor.br http://
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olpcitizen.blogspot.com ]
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