[laptop-accessibility] [Sugar-devel] screenreader for sugar
Peter Korn
peter.korn at oracle.com
Tue Sep 7 12:32:36 EDT 2010
Hi Tomeu, gang,
[I'm cc-ing Joanie Diggs, co-maintainer of Orca]
I believe there are 6 key things that need to be done in/for Sugar to
enable use of the GNOME accessibility work for folks with vision
impairments. Others more expert in the specific details may
correct/amend my comments. I believe the 6 things are:
1. The shift of AT-SPI from CORBA to DBUS (in process, not yet
completed, but builds of at-spi2 are in the GNOME code repository
and if someone would start playing and testing with it on the
OLPC, that'd be great!)
2. Implementation of ATK by the Sugar UI components (this is the
accessibility API that screen readers like Orca use)
3. Creating / adapting a magnifier service on Sugar for Orca. This
may be a fairly trivial port of gnome-mag (non-COMPOSITE edition),
or it may be a complete re-write
4. Porting Orca to Sugar. This may be fairly trivial, or it may
involve a new Sugar-style GUI, etc.
5. Adding theme support go Sugar for vision impairments - things like
a large-print theme, and inverse theme, etc.
6. Ensure 100% keyboard operability of Sugar
Tomeu - are there folks in sugar-devel who have cycles to work on these
things?
Regards,
Peter
On 9/7/2010 12:49 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 20:15, Esteban Arias <earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy> wrote:
>
>> no, I tested with gnome desktop.
>>
>
> Ok, I can help you get in touch with the GNOME team that works on
> accessibility if you want. They are very dedicated, friendly and
> talented bunch. Collabora and other companies also provide services
> related to accessibility and GNOME.
>
> But nobody else than us is going to fix accessibility in Sugar so
> that's why I'm asking if anybody here has interest in working on this.
> The first need is finding someone who can tell us what needs to be
> improved in Sugar so it can be used by people with no or very low
> vision.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tomeu
>
>
>> 2010/9/3 Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org>
>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 18:25, Esteban Arias <earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> xo-1.0 | F11 | Dextrose version | Gnome desktop | orca 2.26.3
>>>>
>>>> If I set: "run at startup"
>>>> orca run correctly.
>>>>
>>> Hi Esteban,
>>>
>>> to clarify, you configure orca in some way so it runs when sugar
>>> starts up and it reads what is on the screen?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tomeu
>>>
>>>
>>>> If I excecute "orca" from Terminal, shows error:
>>>> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/orca/mouse_review.py:189: Warning:
>>>> invalid
>>>> uninstantiatable type `(null)' in cast to `GdkDisplayX11'
>>>> self._mouseDwellTimeout(event.detail1, event.detail2)
>>>>
>>>> Displays Preferences dialog, but dont reads screen.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Esteban Arias.
>>>>
>>>> 2010/9/2 Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org>
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 14:51, Esteban Arias <earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I install orca on xo 1.0 with gnome for f11.
>>>>>> If I config to start session with orca, runs ok. But if I execute
>>>>>> orca
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> terminal, dont run correctly:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Esteban,
>>>>>
>>>>> could be that your email arrived to us incomplete?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomeu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/9/1 pbrobinson at gmail.com <pbrobinson at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 14:10, Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 14:08, Esteban Arias
>>>>>>>>> <earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>> we can colaborate with this proyect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Excelent, have you tried already orca with Sugar? And with GNOME?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would say that the next step is for someone who knows how orca
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> used to give it a try and file tickets for the biggest issues. Not
>>>>>>>> sure we can make much more until then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The gnome guys mentioned this the other day and there's going to be
>>>>>>> some more work done within gnome hopefully for F-14. So hopefully we
>>>>>>> should be looking better for that release.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Esteban Arias
>>>>>> Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal
>>>>>> Avda. Italia 6201
>>>>>> Montevideo - Uruguay.
>>>>>> Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228
>>>>>> E-mail : earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Esteban Arias
>>>> Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal
>>>> Avda. Italia 6201
>>>> Montevideo - Uruguay.
>>>> Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228
>>>> E-mail : earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Esteban Arias
>> Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal
>> Avda. Italia 6201
>> Montevideo - Uruguay.
>> Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228
>> E-mail : earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy
>>
>>
>>
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