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On 01/10/2012 07:06 PM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Ruben and All,
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<div>Tom has warned me that the persistent usbs really <u><i>are</i></u>
persistent and that eventually they fill up and fail! Not
good. That would not be a problem with a Live CD as nothing
is written to it. Therefore, the extra usb for file
storage... journal items, extra Activities and the like.</div>
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<div>Again, please remember we are talking about the average
non-techie educator who wants to bring Sugar to their
students on whatever old machines they may have. While most
schools do have a person in charge of technology, in many
cases it is a regular teacher who just knows a little bit
more than other teachers and has the time to do it. They may
get a tiny bit of training, a small stipend, and a special
"title" to go with the job, but that is about it.</div>
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<div>In the real world, the latest buzz is all about using
smart phones, iPod touches, and all sorts of tablets with
students. Nothing wrong with that, I guess, but having the
Sugar Activities available would be nice.... and gladly
accepted... if we can make it easy to do. Tell the teachers
they need a "thin client" and they may start looking for a
skinny student!</div>
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<div>Getting a whole school to buy into something like Sugar
is a stretch. It is a battle that has to be won, one
teacher at a time. Maybe when the others see it in action
in some of the classrooms interest will reach a level where
a school wide adoption would be feasible. </div>
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<div>So enough with the cliches (sorry I used so many), I need
to find out how to make a Live CD to test this. The
instructions are either gone or buried in the wiki (I guess
that is one reason why we are refreshing it). So here is
the information I need:</div>
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<div>1) What is the most up-to-date build you folks would
recommend?</div>
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><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast</a><br>
Download:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://devel.trisquel.info/sugar/toast/iso/trisquel-sugar_5.0_i686-20111204.iso">http://devel.trisquel.info/sugar/toast/iso/trisquel-sugar_5.0_i686-20111204.iso</a><br>
*Install directly from the Live CD:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast#Install_To_4_GB_USB-stick">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast#Install_To_4_GB_USB-stick</a><br>
(This is a full install; not a live install with persistence)<br>
*VirtualBox appliance Just import into VirtualBox for OSX on your
MAC:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Emulator_image_files/Trisquel#File:Trisquel_icon.png_Trisquel-5.0-sugar">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Emulator_image_files/Trisquel#File:Trisquel_icon.png_Trisquel-5.0-sugar</a><br>
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>SoaS_v6_Pineapple<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Fedora-SoaS#SoaS_v6_Pineapple">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Fedora-SoaS#SoaS_v6_Pineapple</a><br>
*Use "liveinst" command in a sugar root terminal to install to a 4
GB USB (formatted ext4 no swap)<br>
Download:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/spins/linux/releases/16/Spins/i686/Fedora-16-i686-Live-SoaS.iso">http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/spins/linux/releases/16/Spins/i686/Fedora-16-i686-Live-SoaS.iso</a><br>
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<div> Where can I find the instructions for making the Live
CD?</div>
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* Wiki Instructions: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads</a><br>
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*Burning a Live CD from an .iso on a MAC This works tg jan 10
2012<br>
Click on the CD.iso ( trisquel-sugar_5.0_i686-20111204.iso)
Downloaded to the desktop<br>
Right click: Open with DiskImageMounter.app<br>
Open: Applications/Utilities/Diskutility.app<br>
Click on Mounted (trisquel-sugar_5.0_i686-20111204.iso) in Disk
Utility<br>
Insert Unused CD in Mac Slot<br>
Click on "Burn" on top bar - (burns and verifies Live CD)<br>
This Live CD boots on a PC and a MAC<br>
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*How to boot the trisquel-sugar_5.0_i686-20111204 live CD on your
Mac<br>
Insert the CD<br>
Shutdown The Mac<br>
Press Power button and hold the OPTION key down until a windows CD
is displayed to the right of the MAC harddrive<br>
Use ==> arrow key to select the windows CD and hit enter.<br>
CD Boots <br>
*Problems:<br>
Very Slow compared to a VirtualBox appliance<br>
No internet connection on CD - VirtualBox works fine<br>
CD ejects on shutdown of sugar cannot insert it soon enough to boot
with option key<br>
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Better to use the CD in a PC<br>
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*I recommend a VirtualBox Install for a Mac<br>
VirtualBox:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/virtualbox/downloads/index.html">http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/virtualbox/downloads/index.html</a><br>
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*Here is a complete listing of available appliances (Just import the
2 files; after downloading them)<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#All_Prebuilt_VirtualBox_Appliances">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#All_Prebuilt_VirtualBox_Appliances</a><br>
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<div>3) Would it be better to put it onto a DVD since the
price is so similar these days?</div>
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It does not matter the file size is much smaller than a CD. But
older PC's may not handle a DVD<br>
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<div>4) What type of CD or DVD works best on a wide variety of
intel computers (PC and Mac)? (Brand, R, RW or ???)</div>
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<div>5) Can the Live CD be easily cloned with a DVD Rewriter?
(I will probably want to make at least 100 copies)</div>
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Use the CD/DVD burner on your machine. It will duplicate one at a
time. see section above: Burning a Live CD from an .iso on a MAC<br>
I have no experience in DVD rewriters....<br>
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<div>6) What other things I haven't thought of should I know?</div>
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<div>7) Anyone want to stand by to give advice if I get stuck?
(Skype call or irc if you must... I do not type well)</div>
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Glad to help by e-mail; cell phone or IRC #sugar.<br>
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Regards<br>
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Tom Gilliard<br>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Caryl</div>
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<div>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:21:37 +0100<br>
> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ruben@gnu.org">ruben@gnu.org</a><br>
> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a><br>
> CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:testing@lists.laptop.org">testing@lists.laptop.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:support-gang@laptop.org">support-gang@laptop.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] SoaS Breakthrough!<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > I called Tom Gilliard today during his ski
vacation (oops!) to get<br>
> > some help prepping for showing SoaS at SCaLE 10X
Jan 20-22. After we<br>
> > talked about several things I told him I had a
"wild idea" that I<br>
> > thought the average non-techie teacher could
handle. Why not run<br>
> > SoaS from a Live CD and then save all the files
you want to keep on a<br>
> > separate usb stick? This could include
additional Activities<br>
> > downloaded from the Sugar Labs website that
don't "live" on the Live<br>
> > CD.<br>
> <br>
> This should work out of the box in TOAST -without
extra activities-,<br>
> you just need to format the usb drive in ext2(-4) and
label it home-rw.<br>
> Then, if you have it plugged during the live cd boot,
it will be mounted<br>
> as /home and keep any user changes, downloads,
activities, journal...<br>
> <br>
> In any case, how is that an improvement over having
both the system and<br>
> the home in the usb as usually?<br>
> <br>
> > IMHO this could really be a breakthrough for
getting Sugar into<br>
> > classrooms that can't get XOs.<br>
> <br>
> I think live usb systems are nice for some tasks, but
not for serious<br>
> deployments. The live usb persistence methods can
-and do- fail,<br>
> specially if you don't shut the system down properly,
as impatient kids<br>
> tend to do.<br>
> <br>
> The method I think would be a breakthrough for a
school is to use a thin<br>
> client environment. One server is enough to run a
typical school, you<br>
> only need to manage one standard GNU/Linux computer,
the clients need<br>
> no software or configuration, and they can keep
whatever they already<br>
> have in their hard drives untouched and usable. Also
all the students<br>
> data are in an easy to backup spot, installing an
activity in the server<br>
> makes it available for everyone instantly, and you
can also combine it<br>
> with class management software like iTALC.<br>
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