[Testing] Testing summary - Auckland New Zealand, 25 September 2010

[Walter Bender]

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
> Tabitha et al., this is great. Thanks.
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Tabitha Roder <tabitha at tabitha.net.nz> wrote:
>> Testing summary - Auckland New Zealand, 25 September 2010
>> Who: Fabiana, Calvin, Leslie, Liz, John, Nevyn, Robin, Tabitha, Tom
>>
>> Wordgroupz:
>> failed to start, both copying to journal and trying to start from USB on
>> os373pyg, got logs
>> Tried on build 852 but it still didn't work
>> No icon appears in the activity ring on either build
>>
>> --
>>
>> Tested backup-4 and restore-3 on 2 XO-1.0s with 1 USB stick
>> Backup: you have to choose the storage device then press the button that
>> looks like keep
>> it then says "backing up Journal to /media... etc
>> Shows x/x number of files but gives no message to say when backup is
>> complete, it did create a backup onto the usb and named it with the XO name
>> and some numbers with .xmj extension
>> Restore: opened activity and it says "no bundle selected. please close this
>> activity and choose a bundle to restore from the journal"
>> Tried to click on the file on the usb that says it is the journal backup for
>> this laptop - it seems to open the restore activity but hard to tell as not
>> labelled as such in the frame
>> found a restore journal button in the activity, clicked it and get the
>> message "restoring journal from
>> /home/olpc/.sugar/default/data/" a whole lot of numbers then ".xmj"
>> - that file location is not the usb drive, so we assume that opening the
>> file on the usb is actually copying it to the journal
>> Tried to restore the same journal file on another XO but it doesn't let you
>> (deliberate we think)
>> Second XO Backup: Tried backing up this second XO onto usb, then deleted
>> most of journal. Ran the restore and it seems to work but it on both XOs we
>> get two copies of the .xmj journal backup file in the Journal.
>> Found another option for restore - in the Journal you can use the arrow
>> right to get to the kind of more information view (with a preview,
>> description and tags) and then where the play button (start)
>> is a drop down option of restore appears
>> Basically they worked, though it was a bit confusing that you don't open
>> restore and then choose the file on the USB.  Some instructions for the user
>> might be helpful - when you open the backup activity would be good to click
>> a question mark and see explanation of activity, like what happens in the
>> finance activity. Also, there was no obvious notification that the backup
>> file creation was completed.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Turtle Art 99
>> First a question - what is the difference between turtle art and turtle
>> blocks?
>
> Sorry about the confusion. Turtle Art is a limited subset of Turtle
> Blocks, forked off about 6 months ago. I should have asked you to test
> Turtle Blocks, which is what you did, in any case.
>
>> Installed on os373pyg XO-1.0 and a few os852 XO-1.0s - seems to rename
>> itself to turtle blocks
>
> The .xo bundle I sent you is for Turtle Blocks, but for reasons of
> compatibility for updates, it is named turtleart.xo (Turtle Art is
> named turlteartmini.xo)
>
>> Found some XOs have a different display to others, on build 852 it has menus
>> and on build 373pyg it has buttons.
>
> 373pyg uses Sugar 0.88, which has the new  "button" toolbars.
> 852 uses Sugar 0.84, which uses the menu toolbars.
>
> Turtle Blocks tries to use the buttons, but will revert to menus when
> the buttons are not available.
>
>> There is no erase option on the turtle
>> activity in the list view of all the activities in dextrose 373pyg, however
>> there is an erase option for turtle activity on os852. Although they are
>> both showing as version 99 they are different which is a bit confusing.
>
> This is also due to changes in Sugar. Since Turtle Blocks is part of
> the "Fructose" collection, it is in a list of activities that can be
> updated, but not erases. Earlier versions of Sugar allow any activity
> to be erase, which classroom teachers found to be problematic. The
> idea is to let the teachers maintain a list of required activities;
> Turtle Blocks is on the default list.
>
>> Moving the blocks around we were not sure what to do if you could not see
>> the start block anymore (dragged off the screen and it is hidden by the
>> buttons).
>
> Blocks won't move unless you move them, so I am not sure what you mean here.
>
> The screen itself will scroll, so perhaps you scrolled in such a way
> that the blocks were off screen? Or perhaps the palette (yellow box of
> blocks) was on top of them?
>
> You can hide the palette (with a button on the palette toolbar) or
> with the red and white icon on the palette itself. You can recenter
> the screen with the Full Screen button or the scroll bars to the right
> and bottom of the screen.
>
>> Tried using the full screen option, hide/show blocks, didn't help.
>
> Maybe hide/show blocks should recenter the screen. I'll play with it.

I tried it and I like it.
See http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/attachment/ticket/2375/TurtleArt-99.xo

-walter
>
>> Found resize so blocks very big helped, then dragged them about before
>> resizing back to small blocks. It would be good if there was a limit to the
>> location of blocks or if you could change your view coordinates or if there
>> was a reset blocks to left/right/middle button, or a resize blocks to fit
>> the screen button (perhaps in the view tab).
>
> The reason for adding scrolling is for supporting larger projects, so
> if the blocks always moved with the screen, you couldn't take
> advantage of the extra space. I like the idea of rescaling so that
> everything fits. I'll play around with that idea.
>
>> Tried to test turtle art / blocks 99 in german and spanish but there is no
>> german and there are lots of spanish options. Guessed a Spanish translation
>> to test.
>>
>> Here is Fabiana's report on turtle art:
>>>
>>> Loads as turtle blocks. It was a bit confusing at first.
>>> Created a path, and moved it up, but the 'start' went off screen and now I
>>> have
>>> Set language to Spanish (argentina). Repeated with setting language to
>>> Spanish (Bolivia).
>>> On actividad tab, mouse over on the turtle icon on top reads "tortuga
>>> alenta' I guess it is meant to say 'tortuga lenta' (slow turtle)
>>> On the turtle palette, block labelling: The clean button reads 'limpia'
>>> which is not an infinitive. (the infinitive is 'limpiar') while the rest of
>>> the verbs are in infinitive.
>>> In the colour palette black and white show as 'black' and 'white' instead
>>> of 'negro' and 'blanco'
>>> In the  'box' pallette 'turtle shell' not translated
>>> In the 'journal' palette: 'oculta bloques', oculta is not an infinitive,
>>> should be 'ocultar'
>>> In the help menu, the mouseover on the turtle pen etc is not fully
>>> translated: Eg: torguga: paleta the comandos de la tortuga is ok, but then I
>>> get pen: paleta de ordenes de la pluma (should read pluma: paleta de ordenes
>>> de la pluma) The only one fully translated is the 'turtle' one.
>>> Opened a file that i had created and saved in 'english' it loads already
>>> translated to spanish. (which is good)
>>
>
> Fabianna, thanks for your detailed review of the Spanish translation.
> I've made some updates here:
>
> http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/attachment/ticket/2374/TurtleArt-99.xo
>
> -walter
>
>> --
>>
>> Here is Tom's report on collaboration:
>>>
>>> Tested collaboration on os852. Started off with send to friend.
>>> 1 Created a picture in record
>>> 2 Closed record activity
>>> 3 Renamed record activity in journal to "picture for anna" (you can see
>>> where this going)
>>> 4 Sent "picture" to anna (another xo)
>>> 5 Picture loads in "Browse" but is a whole lot of xml
>>> It turns out that we were sending the "activity" not the results of the
>>> activity. After sending the picture itself, things worked a lot better.
>>> Should it be possible to send a session of the Record activity to a
>>> friend? If so, should it load in Browse or in Record? I guess this is a
>>> special case of, should activity sessions be stored in the journal?
>>> Especially a relatively stateless activity like Record?
>>> While rummaging around in the logs, found a strange exception with the
>>> network manager, http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2369 and many more that I
>>> didn't report (next time).
>>
>> Another full on testing event. Thanks everyone.
>>
>> Tabitha
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>



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