[sugar] [IAEP] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

Sun Nov 23 12:52:51 EST 2008

Hello All.

I think of most importance facilitate the access to teachers and others in
relation to IRC. mailists etc..they are not tech savvy so we have to lower
the barrier access to this tools of communications.

Embedding mibbit in the wiki is a way to do so, i've done it in a Wiki and
the response has been great!.

Also a teacher in Uruguay proposes a Live Video Chat, to keep
constant communication.

Rafael Ortiz

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:39 PM, David Farning <dfarning at sugarlabs.org>wrote:

> Caroline,
>
> Do have suggestions for other readings about how Communities of
> Practice form and  operate, particularly in the field of education.  I
> feel like I have my head wrapped around documentation, development,
> and deployment COP's.  I am still totally confused how to engage
> educators.
>
> There seem to be significant cultural differences between people who
> sit in front of a computer all day and those who spend their days
> standing between a blackboard and and a classroom full of kids.
>
> david
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Caroline Meeks
> <caroline at solutiongrove.com> wrote:
> > This seems like a cool teachable moment if you are interested in learning
> > more about learning theory and vocabulary.
> >
> > The Sugar community is a Community of Practice CoP -
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_practice
> >
> > The feedback of the Olin people is on inadequacy of the "legitimate
> > peripheral participation" that is not having a clear path for people to
> > participate at the margins of the group then move in.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimate_peripheral_participation
> >
> > How to use IRC is Tacit Knowledge
> > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacit_knowledge) for an open source
> > developer.  So one of the ways we help people is turn it into Explicit
> > Knowledge by explaining what it is and how to use.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, this is awesome feedback. I'm going to speak from the SugarLabs
> >> perspective.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Elsa Culler <eculler at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Last night at sugarcamp, we(people from the Olin college OLPC chapter)
> >> > were
> >> > asked to come up with a list of roadblocks  we have run into in trying
> >> > to
> >> > volunteer effectively.  Mel Chua asked me to forward it to these
> lists,
> >> > so
> >> > here is the list in text format:
> >> >
> >> > we have to come up with jobs ourselves, and we're not too good at it
> >> >
> >> > we don't know what we can do that is useful
> >> >
> >> > when we are told what to do, we have to check with other people to
> make
> >> > sure
> >> > it's ok
> >>
> >> Point taken, we need to come up with a good list of interesting things
> >> that people can start with. Somewhat related, I keep up a TODO list of
> >> things in http://sugarlabs.org/go/User:Tomeu that interested people
> >> can take from my hands. Wonder how we could make this more
> >> discoverable?
> >>
> >> > we don't have easy access to cool things that are going on in OLPC
> that
> >> > would get people excited
> >> >
> >> >  -for example - it would make people excited just to hear accounts of
> >> > deployments
> >>
> >> Could you check out the weekly newsletter published in Walter's blog
> >> (http://walterbender.org/) and see how much it suits your needs?
> >> SugarLabs cannot say much about OLPC deployments, but we hope to have
> >> pilots of our own soon, and hopefully deployments will follow.
> >>
> >> > most meetings happen when we are in class and we don't know what
> >> > happened or
> >> > give input
> >> >
> >> >  - especially with commute (it takes us 1;30 hrs to get here)
> >>
> >> Most SugarLabs meetings happen on IRC, so you wouldn't have the
> >> commute issue. Please check out the meeting announcements in the
> >> sugar-devel and iaep mailing lists and comment if the times don't work
> >> out for you, we probably can change them.
> >>
> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> >>
> >> > it's difficult to find out what OLPC does beyond the broad
> >> > mission-statement
> >> > sort of thing
> >>
> >> Probably, SL could do better as well, can you comment about what's
> >> missing in Walter's newsletter?
> >>
> >> > it took me 6 months to figure out how to use irc, i still don't know
> >> > where
> >> > trac is
> >>
> >> Definitely a problem. We are thinking about having a landing page
> >> similar to the one in http://www.eclipse.org/ that hopefully will give
> >> a way for everybody to find how to better interact with us depending
> >> on their role. The idea is that a prospecting developer would just
> >> click on one of those icons and would find a simple explanation of the
> >> first concepts that need to be grabbed in order to move forward. How
> >> does that sound?
> >>
> >> > olpc-dev list emails are kind of over my head
> >>
> >> Yeah, we should understand better this issue. Is a coder-newbies
> >> mailing list a valid suggestion?
> >>
> >> > where are things? (on wiki, etc)
> >>
> >> David Farning is working on this, following a never ending list of
> >> complaints from Greg DeKoenigsberg.
> >>
> >> > note - if you teach us how stuff works we can tell more
> people/translate
> >> > the
> >> > information
> >>
> >> Totally, we count on you to help us, we are totally aware that by
> >> ourselves cannot do it.
> >>
> >> > I would like to develop activities, but up until now I didn't even
> know
> >> > it
> >> > was up for grabs
> >>
> >> Ooops ;)
> >>
> >> > Thanks for listening!
> >>
> >> Thanks to you, this definitely helps.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Tomeu
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