<div dir="ltr">Tony, <div>I don't want to speak for the teachers in Nepal, but I think, Speaking as an educator, that more real data is better than the red light green light scenario you propose. </div><div>I would be happy to participate in the design if that would be helpful. </div>
<div>Gerald</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
I am taking a simplistic approach to this problem. KA-Lite has a simple coach<br>
report which basically shows a table with a row for each registered student<br>
and a column for each activity. The cell is blank for no attempts, a light green<br>
for attempts which did not reach 'proficiency', and a dark green to show<br>
proficiency in that task.<br>
<br>
I think this is adequate for teachers, particularly if they can click on a cell to<br>
get more detail (e.g number of items completed, number of questions answered correctly, and so forth).<br>
<br>
Many of the sites I am supporting do not follow the one laptop per child model. In one case, the teachers pass out laptops without regard to who used it previously. In other cases, a set of laptops are used in more than one class.<br>
This means recording data against the laptop serial number is insufficient.<br>
<br>
The implementation strategy is to have the site provide a list of students (currently first and last name with the username as a concatenation of the<br>
two). The student logs in (By using the Journal activity, login is assured at boot<br>
time. After that, students must login as laptops are passed from class to class).<br>
<br>
A modification to activity.py adds id, start, stop, and outcome to the metadata.<br>
The id is the db id of the student (not the username). The outcome is a string - empty by default. A procedure 'write_outcome' added to activity.py, analogous to read_file and write_file enables a Sugar activity to add specific outcome<br>
information (either a string or a json with one of the keys: 'comment':'').<br>
<br>
The ds_backup.py is modified to save objects in the datastore to the school<br>
server (item by item, not rsync).<br>
<br>
A data collection script on the school server can go through the saved Journals<br>
adding this information to a database so that reports (such as the coach report) can be created on demand.<br>
<br>
Similar to KA Lite, the goal is to make information available to teachers on the<br>
progress of their students so that teachers can provide extra help and encouragement as appropriate. Currently, KA Lite does not provide feedback<br>
directly to the students but the main Khan Academy site has many examples of<br>
this (badges, points, etc.).<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
<br>
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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:27:21 -0800<br>
From: Sameer Verma <<a href="mailto:sverma@sfsu.edu" target="_blank">sverma@sfsu.edu</a>><br>
To: Martin Dluhos <<a href="mailto:martin@gnu.org" target="_blank">martin@gnu.org</a>><br>
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We had our January meeting at OLPCSF (and our 6th birthday). We talked<br>
about contributions to this project. Introducing Nina Stawski to the<br>
thread. She works with HTML and Javascript and is familiar with<br>
visualization. She suggested <a href="http://d3js.org" target="_blank">d3js.org</a> as one of the options.<br>
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Has anyone created the wiki page as yet?<br>
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cheers,<br>
Sameer<br>
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Sameer Verma <<a href="mailto:sverma@sfsu.edu" target="_blank">sverma@sfsu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Martin Dluhos <<a href="mailto:martin@gnu.org" target="_blank">martin@gnu.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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On 7.1.2014 01:49, Sameer Verma wrote:<br>
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On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Martin Dluhos <<a href="mailto:martin@gnu.org" target="_blank">martin@gnu.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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For visualization, I have explored using LibreOffice and SOFA, but neither of<br>
those were flexible to allow for customization of the output beyond some a few<br>
rudimentary options, so I started looking at various Javascript libraries, which<br>
are much more powerful. Currently, I am experimenting with Google Charts, which<br>
I found the easiest to get started with. If I run into limitations with Google<br>
Charts in the future, others on my list are InfoVIS Toolkit<br>
(<a href="http://philogb.github.io/jit" target="_blank">http://philogb.github.io/jit</a>) and HighCharts (<a href="http://highcharts.com" target="_blank">http://highcharts.com</a>). Then,<br>
there is also D3.js, but that's a bigger animal.<br>
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Keep in mind that if you want to visualize at the school's local<br>
XS[CE] you may have to rely on a local js method instead of an online<br>
library.<br>
</blockquote>
Yes, that's a very good point. Originally, I was only thinking about collecting<br>
and visualizing the information centrally, but there is no reason why it<br>
couldn't be viewed by teachers and school administrators on the schoolserver<br>
itself. Thanks for the warning.<br>
<br>
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In fact, my guess would be that what the teachers and principal want<br>
to see at the school will be different from what OLE Nepal and the<br>
government would want to see, with interesting overlaps.<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
Sameer<br>
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To: Sameer Verma <<a href="mailto:sverma@sfsu.edu" target="_blank">sverma@sfsu.edu</a>><br>
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Sameer Verma <<a href="mailto:sverma@sfsu.edu" target="_blank">sverma@sfsu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Martin Dluhos <<a href="mailto:martin@gnu.org" target="_blank">martin@gnu.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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On 7.1.2014 01:49, Sameer Verma wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Martin Dluhos <<a href="mailto:martin@gnu.org" target="_blank">martin@gnu.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
For visualization, I have explored using LibreOffice and SOFA, but neither of<br>
those were flexible to allow for customization of the output beyond some a few<br>
rudimentary options, so I started looking at various Javascript libraries, which<br>
are much more powerful. Currently, I am experimenting with Google Charts, which<br>
I found the easiest to get started with. If I run into limitations with Google<br>
Charts in the future, others on my list are InfoVIS Toolkit<br>
(<a href="http://philogb.github.io/jit" target="_blank">http://philogb.github.io/jit</a>) and HighCharts (<a href="http://highcharts.com" target="_blank">http://highcharts.com</a>). Then,<br>
there is also D3.js, but that's a bigger animal.<br>
</blockquote>
Keep in mind that if you want to visualize at the school's local<br>
XS[CE] you may have to rely on a local js method instead of an online<br>
library.<br>
</blockquote>
Yes, that's a very good point. Originally, I was only thinking about collecting<br>
and visualizing the information centrally, but there is no reason why it<br>
couldn't be viewed by teachers and school administrators on the schoolserver<br>
itself. Thanks for the warning.<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
In fact, my guess would be that what the teachers and principal want<br>
to see at the school will be different from what OLE Nepal and the<br>
government would want to see, with interesting overlaps.<br>
</blockquote>
You left out one important constituent: the learner. Ultimately we are<br>
responsible for making learning visible to the learner. Claudia and I<br>
touched on this topic in the attached paper.<br>
<br>
Just to place all my cards on the table, as much as I hate to suggest<br>
we head down this route, I think we really need to instrument<br>
activities themselves (and build analyses of activity output) if we<br>
want to provide meaningful statistics about learning. We've done some<br>
of this with Turtle Blocks, even capturing the mistakes the learner<br>
makes along the way. We are lacking in decent visualizations of these<br>
data, however.<br>
<br>
Meanwhile, I remain convinced that the portfolio is our best tool.<br>
<br>
regards.<br>
<br>
-walter<br>
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Sameer<br>
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