<div dir="ltr"><div>This is a more related to Samuel Greenfeld's comments than the XSCE documentation/install thread from which I branch.</div><div><br></div>I think it makes sense to grab off of <a href="http://laptop.org">laptop.org</a> all the essential stuff and put it some new place. We don't know the future, but in the present the prospect of ongoing support and maintenance of <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org">wiki.laptop.org</a> seems more shaky to me.<div>
<br></div><div>When I was first exploring the process of building something on top of schoolserver 0.7, I found ancestry of different components (documented at <a href="http://schoolserver.wordpress.com/xs-installation/rpm-heritage/">http://schoolserver.wordpress.com/xs-installation/rpm-heritage/</a>). I think we should contact the most recent contributors to these ancestral repos, and with their cooperation/approval, move them to <a href="http://github.com">github.com</a>.</div>
<div><br></div><div>How to pay for a server somewhere? Three candidates come to me. Sugarlabs, activitycentral, and unleash kids. Of these, activitycentral is the only for profit organization, I'd vote for the synergy that needs to exist between a for profit open source shop, and the ecosystem which it needs to remain legitimately part off a larger open source community.</div>
<div><br></div><div>George</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Samuel Greenfeld <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samuel@greenfeld.org" target="_blank">samuel@greenfeld.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>I think you need to be careful how you phrase that -- you just half implied that all <a href="http://laptop.org" target="_blank">laptop.org</a> hosting is going away. There has been a fair amount of fear that resources may suddenly disappear, and I have been concerned about fragmentation where hosting of resources ends up all over the place.<br>
</div><br></div><div>If there is a perceived need to migrate resources then that should be made clear, as others have already offered potential alternative hosting. But there needs to be coordination.<br><br><br></div>Focusing on the Deployment side, I would tend to agree with John's comments as well. <br>
<br>Both Sugar and the Schoolserver have been historically focused on being their own ecosystem. This has never changed, yet Sugar and the XS are often offered for use where existing DHCP, DNS, and other services already exist.<br>
<br></div><div>Due to local policies, you may not be allowed to name your schoolserver "schoolserver". You may have to support 802.11x network authentication, etc. It is possible to kludge these but the solutions are not elegant.<br>
<br></div><div>If the Sugar and XSCE communities feel that the "enterprise"/first-world use case is a desired scenario where Sugar, IIAB, and/or Moodle may only be a part of a school's network instead of the primary role, then this specifically needs to be targeted.<br>
<br>---<br></div><div>SJG<br><br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:33 AM, James Cameron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I agree with John. Every point in his documentation section should be<br>
handled. Especially the point about <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org" target="_blank">wiki.laptop.org</a>, which has so<br>
many distracting links on the navigation bar that we are all used to,<br>
but which new people become lost in.<br>
<br>
With regard to forums, the type that Google Groups has where they can<br>
also be received in mail may suffice.<br>
<div><div><br>
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:44:33AM +0530, Anish Mangal wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> I would like to share this blog post from John Ellis with the XSCE community:<br>
> John is a high school student who is trying to setup XSCE in his class/school<br>
> under the supervision of his teacher Jeff Elkner. <br>
><br>
> <a href="http://johnmichaelffs.blogspot.in/2013/11/problems-with-xsce.html" target="_blank">http://johnmichaelffs.blogspot.in/2013/11/problems-with-xsce.html</a><br>
><br>
> Some of the stuff he points out certainly makes a lot of sense to me, I think<br>
> the core underling message is to make XSCE more approachable to the end user<br>
> and the advanced end-user/deployer. He has gone to some lengths to point out<br>
> specific aspects which could be improved. <br>
><br>
> As we think about the possibilities for XSCE-0.6, I would like to further the<br>
> discussion along these topics here and/or on IRC. I think the project could do<br>
> well listening to end users' needs for the 0.6 cycle, especially that we now<br>
> seem to have our house in order codewise thanks to the terrific work by all the<br>
> software hackers here :-)<br>
><br>
> Thoughts? <br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Anish<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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